St. Peter port at it agin

[l'escargot]

How does removing the hose help? Presumably people are still connecting hoses to fill tanks!! Has no-one heard of double check valves?

Because they use them and pack them away again. It is less likely that they will go off leaving their own hose dangling in the water.

Water supply is regulated to prevent contamination, read about it here: http://www.wras.co.uk/PDF_Files/IGNMarinas.pdf, as long as the marina supply meets the regulations they can have houses out.

 

[Piers]

Because they use them and pack them away again. It is less likely that they will go off leaving their own hose dangling in the water.

Water supply is regulated to prevent contamination, read about it here: http://www.wras.co.uk/PDF_Files/IGNMarinas.pdf, as long as the marina supply meets the regulations they can have houses out.

Bear in mind Guernsey is'nt governed by the UK and is not part of the EU. The Channel Islands make their own laws....

 

[l'escargot]

Bear in mind Guernsey is'nt governed by the UK and is not part of the EU. The Channel Islands make their own laws....

I know that and I am sure that you also know many of the laws and legislation are very similar. I think it unlikely that water regulations would differ in any significant way - in fact I would be surprised if they weren't even more stringent with the problems of supply on a small island..

Edit:

They certainly use the English water supply regulations as a standard for testing water quality:

...Even though Guernsey Water is not regulated for water quality, the standard by which water quality is measured is taken from England and Wales in the form of The Water Supply (Water Quality) Regulations, 2000,...

From here: http://www.water.gg/sites/default/files/2012 WQ Report Final.pdf

 

[Bandit]

Guernsey is self governing and as usual we have adopted a UK reccomendation as law .

This very carefully details how in Guernsey among other things how we can fill up our steam railway locomotives and boats on inland waterways, of course we have neither of these in Guernsey.

I understand the real risk is not a gippy tummy but legionella which is unlikely to arise from drinking contaminated water (apparently your stomach acids deal with these) but from breathing in aerosols of contaminated water when you hose something down.

So the reality is an infrequently used hose in a yard or garden is probably likely to be a far greater risk.

Either way the likelihood is minimal.

 

[davids0865]

Because they use them and pack them away again. It is less likely that they will go off leaving their own hose dangling in the water.

Water supply is regulated to prevent contamination, read about it here: http://www.wras.co.uk/PDF_Files/IGNMarinas.pdf, as long as the marina supply meets the regulations they can have houses out.

Thanks for the link, I have read it carefully, and as you say," as long as the marina supply meets the regulations they can have hoses out".

You will have noticed that as I mentioned in my earlier post the check or double check valves are required for tank or standpipe filling of boat tanks, so , if the solution is as simple a £10 valve, what is the problem I wonder.

 

[henryf]

As I said earlier and as been repeated a couple of time by others the issue is not contaminating the water supply but bugs growing in the hose pipe.

Yes, there is far more chance of that happening with an infrequently used hose stored on your boat, but it's your hose and so your problem. The concern the marinas have is by offering a hose the problem passes on to them if their hose is at fault.

Regularly used hoses for washing down have lots of water passing through them which is good. There is an issue when the hoses lay idle for long periods and also when people let the hoses fall into the sea. It is also conceivable that a less than considerate or stupid boat owner uses the public hose in their toilet holding tank for what ever reason, they might want to give it a good rinse out.

Whatever the cause the marinas are worried that liability passes on to them.

It is as much about our blame culture as it is the marinas wanting to save money. I'm not saying it's right, just stating why.

Henry

 

[Piers]

A point to bear in mind.

If you do get jippy tummy from contaminated water supplies (whether from using your own infrequently used hose or whatever) and you need to see the doc, remember that there's no reciprocal health care in the CIs and the UK, so just make sure you are OK to pay or have private insurance.

 

[Powersalt]

A point to bear in mind.

If you do get jippy tummy from contaminated water supplies (whether from using your own infrequently used hose or whatever) and you need to see the doc, remember that there's no reciprocal health care in the CIs and the UK, so just make sure you are OK to pay or have private insurance.

Nice one. Brings us down to earth. Reminds me of being on the boat in spp when we thought my wife was having a heart attack, harbourmaster drove us to the hospital, and the first thing they did was take a pull of my credit card!,, my wife was treated really well with loads of tests and blood samples etc. turned out she was ok, but the total cost on my card amounted to £40 or ereabouts (poor memory).

 

[Piers]

Nice one. Brings us down to earth. Reminds me of being on the boat in spp when we thought my wife was having a heart attack, harbourmaster drove us to the hospital, and the first thing they did was take a pull of my credit card!,, my wife was treated really well with loads of tests and blood samples etc. turned out she was ok, but the total cost on my card amounted to £40 or ereabouts (poor memory).

Dare I think that removing the hoses is a way to increase income to the island....?

 

[sailorman]

As I said earlier and as been repeated a couple of time by others the issue is not contaminating the water supply but bugs growing in the hose pipe.

Yes, there is far more chance of that happening with an infrequently used hose stored on your boat, but it's your hose and so your problem. The concern the marinas have is by offering a hose the problem passes on to them if their hose is at fault.

Regularly used hoses for washing down have lots of water passing through them which is good. There is an issue when the hoses lay idle for long periods and also when people let the hoses fall into the sea. It is also conceivable that a less than considerate or stupid boat owner uses the public hose in their toilet holding tank for what ever reason, they might want to give it a good rinse out.

Whatever the cause the marinas are worried that liability passes on to them.

It is as much about our blame culture as it is the marinas wanting to save money. I'm not saying it's right, just stating why.

Henry

it is all down to a break in the underground supply & the possibility of back syphoning from a hose open end being in the marina water. nothing to do with bugs in hoses

 

[Piers]

it is all down to a break in the underground supply & the possibility of back syphoning from a hose open end being in the marina water. nothing to do with bugs in hoses

Hi Everyone. I've just spoken with Guernsey's water board inspector again and he says the hose pipe removal was nothing to do with bugs or back syphoning. Removal happened because Health and Safety said there was a Trip Hazard from the hoses.

But no such 'Trip Hazard' in Beaucette Marina.

Hmmm. H&S again. Meanwhile, anyone know how many people have tripped over pontoon hoses?

 

[henryf]

it is all down to a break in the underground supply & the possibility of back syphoning from a hose open end being in the marina water. nothing to do with bugs in hoses

That isn't the reason I was given when asked in the past and other have also been told the same thing I was elsewhere.

What ever we may wish to think of marinas I really don't think they are shy of spending the £10,20,100 or what ever an anti siphon valve costs.

Yarmouth removed their hoses - reason stated was risk of hose bred nasties, and they have subsequently spent billions re-designing the place every winter since. An extra £100 would have made no difference at all.

Anyway, what ever the reason the hoses are now gone.

Just for the record the very expensive "food grade" hose I bought from the chandlers in Yarmouth broke shortly after purchase and is a pain in bum to re-wind into its cassette as a result

Henry

 

[Tank]

Ci / uk health agreement

A point to bear in mind.

If you do get jippy tummy from contaminated water supplies (whether from using your own infrequently used hose or whatever) and you need to see the doc, remember that there's no reciprocal health care in the CIs and the UK, so just make sure you are OK to pay or have private insurance.

Hello Piers
I think that you will find that Jersey has a reciprocal agreement with the UK, but the Bailiwick of Guernsey does not, and this is a shameful situation,
Regards
Tank

 

[Piers]

Hello Piers
I think that you will find that Jersey has a reciprocal agreement with the UK, but the Bailiwick of Guernsey does not, and this is a shameful situation,
Regards
Tank

(Tongue in cheek) - that Jersey does, or Guernsey doesn't?

 

[Powersalt]

Well I have just purchased a food grade flat wind up hose. Now used once and back in the locker where it may well stay for many months.
So it could end up a minefield of bacteria. How can I reduce the risks?

 

[Piers]

Well I have just purchased a food grade flat wind up hose. Now used once and back in the locker where it may well stay for many months.
So it could end up a minefield of bacteria. How can I reduce the risks?

I'm advised by the G water board inspector, to flush with very hot water, and then to fill with a mix of Milton for 24 hrs....maybe easier to buy a new hose!

 

[rafiki_]

Boil the water before drinking, or buy bottle water for drinking, use the water tank for everything else.

 

[Keith-i]

And grey mooring warps that blend in with the pontoons aren't a trip hazard, but yellow hoses are?
If the hoses are to be accused of harbouring bugs, what about that blue poly water pipe strung under the pontoons feeding the said hoses? Surely just as much at risk of building up bugs over a period of time albeit some sections may have more flow on a more regular basis.

 

[Piers]

And grey mooring warps that blend in with the pontoons aren't a trip hazard, but yellow hoses are?
If the hoses are to be accused of harbouring bugs, what about that blue poly water pipe strung under the pontoons feeding the said hoses? Surely just as much at risk of building up bugs over a period of time albeit some sections may have more flow on a more regular basis.

Agreed...

 

[Piers]

The 'unofficial' reason for not replacing the hoses was the replacement cost.