longjohnsilver
Well-known member
Typical SPP mentality.
St. Peter port at it agin
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Typical SPP mentality.
Seastoke
Well-known member
cash is king
Dill et Bound
Member
No the new harbour mistress is.,
And if anyone has ever successfully syphoned anything uphill, !
Have knowledge of poor yachtsmen with cases of the squits.from drinking too much water.!
Please let us all know for our own SAFETY..,,
BlueSkyNick
Active member
Having managed a marina for over four years, where we had an ongoing 'discussion' with the water supplier regarding the regulations, I can speak with some knowledge on this subject.
If a commercial site is assessed by their supplier for compliance with the water fittings regulations, they are assigned a Fluid Category from 1 being best to 5 being worst.
Very few marinas have been assessed as yet, but where they have, they have been allocated FC 4 or 5 because of the risk of:
- people leaving hoses dangling in dirty marina water
- putting hoses into holding tanks to flush them out
- leaving the end of the hose on the ground in the yard where it can be contaminated by antifoul dust, dog poo, algae in puddles etc.
The supplier fitted a DCV on the main supply into the site, then insisted on a DCV at the head of each pier, AND within each and every tap. The use of hoses policy by staff and customers required that the end was NEVER placed on the ground, by use of a lanyard to the users arm. Staff have to walk the site twice a day to collect litter and check for no dog poo, or paint trays left on the ground. This is a ballacking offense if it isnt done. Hoses (food hygene grade) for use on the marina are loaned out and recorded, so they can be recovered without delay. Customers are encouraged to use their own, but are still bound to adhere to the policy. Pressure washers used on boats in the marina must have an internal break tank.
As such we had (and it still is) the cleanest yard in the country, and the water supplier agreed to reduce the risk category. If they had not, we would have been forced to install break tanks around the site, at very high cost of installation and maintenance. What's more, boats would then be drawing stored water rather than fresh from the mains supply!
This whole process took over 5 years, including the water supplier, WRAS, BMF, and a lot of money spent on lawyers to get to a mutually agreeable compromise. Logic and practicalities were not necessarily relevant - it is the ridiculous regulations created by DEFRA which are the source of the problem. Depending on the water supplier in any particular area, if they choose to carry out an assessment and enforce the regulations to the same degree, all marinas and yards will have to adopt the same standards.
If a commercial site is assessed by their supplier for compliance with the water fittings regulations, they are assigned a Fluid Category from 1 being best to 5 being worst.
Very few marinas have been assessed as yet, but where they have, they have been allocated FC 4 or 5 because of the risk of:
- people leaving hoses dangling in dirty marina water
- putting hoses into holding tanks to flush them out
- leaving the end of the hose on the ground in the yard where it can be contaminated by antifoul dust, dog poo, algae in puddles etc.
The supplier fitted a DCV on the main supply into the site, then insisted on a DCV at the head of each pier, AND within each and every tap. The use of hoses policy by staff and customers required that the end was NEVER placed on the ground, by use of a lanyard to the users arm. Staff have to walk the site twice a day to collect litter and check for no dog poo, or paint trays left on the ground. This is a ballacking offense if it isnt done. Hoses (food hygene grade) for use on the marina are loaned out and recorded, so they can be recovered without delay. Customers are encouraged to use their own, but are still bound to adhere to the policy. Pressure washers used on boats in the marina must have an internal break tank.
As such we had (and it still is) the cleanest yard in the country, and the water supplier agreed to reduce the risk category. If they had not, we would have been forced to install break tanks around the site, at very high cost of installation and maintenance. What's more, boats would then be drawing stored water rather than fresh from the mains supply!
This whole process took over 5 years, including the water supplier, WRAS, BMF, and a lot of money spent on lawyers to get to a mutually agreeable compromise. Logic and practicalities were not necessarily relevant - it is the ridiculous regulations created by DEFRA which are the source of the problem. Depending on the water supplier in any particular area, if they choose to carry out an assessment and enforce the regulations to the same degree, all marinas and yards will have to adopt the same standards.
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Gwylan
Well-known member
Sad and miserable comment from a usual suspect.
Just transited a boat through there and everybody was helpful and supportive.
Don't come to Jersey if you are worried about the price!
Just transited a boat through there and everybody was helpful and supportive.
Don't come to Jersey if you are worried about the price!
l'escargot
New member
All siphoning involves water going uphill, initially anyway, that's the definition - it would be draining otherwise.
The back siphoning occurs with hoses attached to an open mains tap if there is a reduction in pressure in the mains supply. Two common causes of this are a burst water main or the fire brigade drawing water from a hydrant.
Dill et Bound
Member
I think it would have to be a pretty big burst main, or a really big fire to have any effect in Guernsey..Its got a massive head of water..
They have main shut off valves under the walkways down to the pontoons anyway..
And whats going to suck back up when the hoses are coiled up on the pontoons, with the taps turned off?
I suppose it might empty my water tank in the unlikely event the hose was all the way in when a water main burst, and something big caught fire.
Thats worth a Risk Assessment.
I know its all for our own safety, but if they had invented H&S before the steam engine we would have never had an Empire,
Whatever that was.
They have main shut off valves under the walkways down to the pontoons anyway..
And whats going to suck back up when the hoses are coiled up on the pontoons, with the taps turned off?
I suppose it might empty my water tank in the unlikely event the hose was all the way in when a water main burst, and something big caught fire.
Thats worth a Risk Assessment.
I know its all for our own safety, but if they had invented H&S before the steam engine we would have never had an Empire,
Whatever that was.
Powersalt
Active member
Well, I went out and purchased a flat 20 metre food hose, filled the water tanks, washed the boat. Then laid the hose out in the sun to dry, rolled it up and put it back in the locker, where it will remain I would think for another 6 to 12 months.
So if I get germs from its next use, perhaps I should claim of SPP for making me use my onw hose??
( just joking folks)
So if I get germs from its next use, perhaps I should claim of SPP for making me use my onw hose??
( just joking folks)
Just_sayin'
Well-known member
We and two other friends with boats would have visited this year but as they can't be bothered to answer simple emails we won't.
Combined length of boats, 124 feet. Possible time in Beaucette, one week each.
Loss to them and the much vaunted restaurant? Significant.
Hey ho. France, here we come.
Piers
Well-known member
Just_sayin'
Well-known member
Always what?
Not 'there' as they won't talk to us, we're not going.
My colleague who wrote to them thought it bizarre that he HAD to put in his phone number although he is currently cruising the north coast of France, making his way slowly south.
Why MUST he input a phone number? There really is no rational explanation.
It was a simple request about long stay mooring cost and availability of busses.
Ignored.
Piers
Well-known member
I can't answer on behalf of the marina, but I can offer an opinion since I'm a live-aboard here.
Mooring costs are on the website, and there's a link to bus information.
Phone number (I guess) because matters change daily. If a mooring had been offered and matters changed for whatever reason, a phone contact is easier (more instant?) than email. It's a popular marina and mooring availability can change.
However, given your comment I will ask the marina manager for his take on the matter. Sorry you feel let down. It's rare to someone speak against Beaucette....
l'escargot
New member
Seems to be a CI thing - I emailed both Beaucette and Jersey marinas looking for some long term berthing and neither replied.
Mike Tait
New member
L'escargot - sorry to hear that we had not got back to you. My apologies. If you would not mind trying again - I would be pleased to see if we can help m.tait@gov.je
Mike Tait Jersey Marina manager
Mike Tait Jersey Marina manager
Piers
Well-known member
Hi Just_sayin'
Been away for a few days hence the delay in responding. The word I missed out was 'welcome'. I know Ricky, the marina manager does his utmost to fit anyone that comes along into the marina. He's just come back from a short holiday and I should be able to see him sometime today and advise him of your email and subsequent feelings.
Is it too late? Because of your no-returned-email experience, is Beaucette now a no-go area for you?
Just_sayin'
Well-known member
I'm afraid so Piers. Two of us are now in St Malo and the other has just left Granville.
They still haven't answered the original, very simple, email that would have got them 3 boats x 1 weeks worth of business.
They still haven't answered the original, very simple, email that would have got them 3 boats x 1 weeks worth of business.
Piers
Well-known member
Just seen Ricky and it seems a car crash of issues hit at the same time. One Ricky's been on leave, two the office has been refurbished throughout which meant the computer systems have been down. Sounds like excuses, but in reality, all very real.
Ah well, maybe one day you'll come on into gentle and quiet Beaucette and savour the restaurant. Let me know if you do and I'll double check any qn is answered.
All the best - and have a great time.
Just_sayin'
Well-known member
Thanks Piers.