Spot the boat is no more!

[JumbleDuck]

Aren't you forgetting these ladies will be professional models. They very much enjoy what they do ...

How do you know?

 

[Nigelpickin]

It's not the images themselves that are offensive, it's the context and the implications. To be honest, I have wondered for ages how long the "Spot the Boat" business would keep going. When I first saw it I thought it was a wry joke at the expense of sad old men who ogle young women, but to keep it going is just tacky. I wonder how many of those who defend it would be as keen if the models were muscular young men in bulging speedos?

Sorry but is there a STB contest being run that I am not seeing? Perhaps a lurid, XXX, dark web only thread that I don't get to see with my log in? The STB's that I have read use brochure/e-brochure shots of models. If I were a sad, old man wanting to ogle young women its pretty unlikely that I would be getting off on a spot the boat thread, I understand that the Internet caters pretty well for that demand.
For me, I am lucky that I am married to a younger woman, who is often found on the foredeck sunpad, dressed in agent provocateur swimwear....but you won't catch me in Speedos, certainly not bulging ones

 

[SLC]

J

For me, I am lucky that I am married to a younger woman, who is often found on the foredeck sunpad, dressed in agent provocateur swimwear....but you won't catch me in Speedos, certainly not bulging ones

I would point you in the direction of a Time.inc publication(swimsuits)but I'm too new(here) to rock the boat.

 

[kashurst]

Can we still have Spot the boat without any humans in the picture ?




For those who will miss the original version try googling Agent Provocateur swimwear (thanks Nigel), quite hard to spot the boat....

 

[JumbleDuck]

Sorry but is there a STB contest being run that I am not seeing? Perhaps a lurid, XXX, dark web only thread that I don't get to see with my log in? The STB's that I have read use brochure/e-brochure shots of models.

Those are the one. Cropped pictures conveying the message that with a dolly bird to look at, no-one is going to notice the boat. 1974 called. They want their attitude back.

For me, I am lucky that I am married to a younger woman, who is often found on the foredeck sunpad, dressed in agent provocateur swimwear....but you won't catch me in Speedos, certainly not bulging ones

I have speedos, for swimming. They bulge, just not perhaps as and where I might wish them to.

 

[paultallett]

How do you know?

Clearly Princess, Riva, etc..... Must press gang ladies in to doing it. Just as every other advert involving scantly clad men and women...... Slavery at its worse!!

I work with models on a daily basis, trust me, they are fine posing for photos. When they are booked they will ask what you require of them, as long as it's within their agreed limits they'll do whatever you ask. It's the way the industry works.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Oh, not even this boat? Ah.. that one over there? (Gently sobs into the joint cheque book).

Mmm yes come to think of it, it was exactly like that. I wanted the San Lorenzo and she wanted the Ferretti so we bought the San L... Er, no we didn't, we bought the Ferretti. Anything for a quiet life

 

[Nigelpickin]

Clearly Princess, Riva, etc..... Must press gang ladies in to doing it. Just as every other advert involving scantly clad men and women...... Slavery at its worse!!

I work with models on a daily basis, trust me, they are fine posing for photos. When they are booked they will ask what you require of them, as long as it's within their agreed limits they'll do whatever you ask. It's the way the industry works.

And I'm guessing that it's not pc or remotely acceptable to call them 'dolly birds'? Someone should probably bring JDuck up to speed with acceptable terminology.
It would be funny if it was not quite so tragic.

 

[Ian h]

So if we look at pop videos from the likes of Miley Cirus and Lady GaGa then these should all be baned. Female pop singers exploit their sexuality to sell records to make themselves money

 

[Whitelighter]

Maybe if the images were more inclusive and included less stereotypical models

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[annageek]

I am sure we're all intelligent enough to realise that context plays a big part in all of life / law / ethics etc. Just because it's deemed objectionable by some, for female models to be used in advertising of some products, doesn't automatically mean it is incorrect for male models to be used in similar ways. Regards the Diet Coke advert - I agree, it's cheap and out dated. It says nothing about the product that makes me want to buy it... and I prefer diet Pepsi, anyway.

Aren't you forgetting these ladies will be professional models. They very much enjoy what they do and also enjoy the money that comes with it.

A friend of mine who I used to live with once worked as a model for a fashion brand. She hated it. She was underpaid, and treated terribly by her employer. So did others with whom she worked who worked for different companies / agencies. The only reason many of them did the modelling work was because they were unable to get work elsewhere. These were intelligent people with good credentials, and it was while they were studying for their degree at Uni. So I think that comment that was made was a sweeping statement, and not strictly true.

women complain that they don't want to be objectified when they're younger but when they get to a certain age, they complain that men don't look at them anymore

I don't. I never have. I never will. Although I take care to make a good impression with my appearance, it's so I come across as an approachable, friendly, good person. Not to be the object of sexual desire.

Comments like

Well, some of it- perhaps the mechanical aspects.

sometimes irk me. I own my boat with my boyfriend. He doesn't have a clue about mechanics, and any mechanical issue is dealt with by me. I do all the servicing and repairs myself. I grant the poster the benefit of the doubt in this, as I recognise I am a bit of an anomaly, and this is rare, but nevertheless I think there may be a bit of subconscious bias there?

As for Lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus... it's their life to choose how they lead it. However, we have to take into account context, and I think it's wrong that their antics are difficult to avoid. Being exposed to them should be opt in, not opt out. Particularly where there are young and impressionable people around.

I have loads more to say, but I won't, as I don't feel it'll help the argument other than...

If other women think it is OK, doesn't make it OK. Some women can be just as sexist towards women as some men can.

 

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any mechanical issue is dealt with by me. I do all the servicing and repairs myself.

Happy for you to come over here and i'll ship my GF over to the UK. I've got 2 KAD300's that i'd happily have someone else do the maintenance on. I'll even take on the role of my GF which is... erm... pouring the wine (and drinking most of it)

 

[paultallett]

A friend of mine who I used to live with once worked as a model for a fashion brand. She hated it. She was underpaid, and treated terribly by her employer. So did others with whom she worked who worked for different companies / agencies. The only reason many of them did the modelling work was because they were unable to get work elsewhere. These were intelligent people with good credentials, and it was while they were studying for their degree at Uni. So I think that comment that was made was a sweeping statement, and not srictly true

I'm sorry to hear of your friends experience. You say she worked for a fashion brand?? Was she actually signed to an agency?? This is the proper channel that models should be booked through.

I see it all the time, ladies / men that want to be models and grab at anything they can. But PROPER companies don't go round offering jobs for no pay to pretty ladies / men in bars, they do it through an agency.

Yes some ladies / men will always be exploited, just as staff will be in any walk of life if a greedy boss thinks he can get away with it, but I can't see any of the boating brands going down that route and more importantly, judging by the quality of the ladies / men being used, these are profession models.

 

[Greg2]

Always interesting to hear different perspectives, particularly in a debate on a subject such as this. Personally I am surprised that it has taken so long before someone questioned STB because it always struck me as being a bit outdated and certainly not something that I would argue to keep in its current form. I am with Anna....sexism is pervasive in our society and many just don't see it for what it is.

I accept that I may be unusual in these parts on this point but I find it irksome to see pictures of boats with scantily clad women draped over them, not least because it is a little depressing to think that such shallow tactics might help to sell them. I guess that says something about our society, where looks and appearance are held in higher esteem than such things as personal qualities, knowledge and integrity.

Don't be me wrong, I am no prude nor am I part of the PC brigade but I do think that sexualising everything is a bit wearisome and is a bit of an insult to the intelligence of men......or maybe it isn't

 

[gjgm]

I grant the poster the benefit of the doubt in this.
I think there may be a bit of subconscious bias there?

Mighty kind, thanks.
Bias? Are you suggesting by me, or yourself?

 

[Sybarite]

Nn

There was no debate. You came along here and tried to impose your warped sense of political correctness on the rest of us and then when you got short shrift, you went off and bleated to the moderators. You have no right to try to impose your taste on others. You know exactly where and when the STB thread appears so all you had to do was not come here if you didn't want your sensibilities offended

He has every right to try to impose his views. OTOH, it's up to admin/mods to see whether he is successful or not.

 

[annageek]

I'm sorry to hear of your friends experience. You say she worked for a fashion brand?? Was she actually signed to an agency?? This is the proper channel that models should be booked through.

She did work, and was indeed employed for an agency, but the agency had been contracted to find specific models for a given brief, so although I don't believe there was an exclusivity agreement, she worked exclusively for one brand, which I understand is not uncommon.

Mighty kind, thanks.
Bias? Are you suggesting by me, or yourself?

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound condescending with my comment... it was just me verbalising (textualising?) my internal thoughts for transparency. As for bias.... yes, both of us, and possibly all engaged in this conversation. I'm not perfect, and I know I have pre-conceptions about certain things, but I like to think I am happy to challenge my pre-conceptions and change them if needed.

One point I forgot to make in my previous post (the main point I was going to make)was that my first post, really was applying my thoughts about STB. Yes, there is a much bigger issue about how effective/appropriate using models (usually carefully picked, attractive models to entice magazine readers, for instance) is in advertising. However, STB isn't about selling boats. Sure the images tend to come from adverts, but these aren't the only source... especially on a forum operated by a publishing company who has under their belt, many boat related magazines.

Like I say though, I will question my own pre-conceptions ideas, regardless of which side of the fence they're already on... I just need to be appropriately convinced.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Nn

He has every right to try to impose his views. OTOH, it's up to admin/mods to see whether he is successful or not.

No he doesn't. He has every right to express his views but no right to impose his views. Thats called fascism

 

[Retired in Crete]

The majority of staff here at Time Inc (UK) are women...

Obviously a sexist company which has a "down" on men! What happened to equality of opportunity?

I am tempted to cancel my subscription until this travesty is corrected.

John

 

[Sybarite]

No he doesn't. He has every right to express his views but no right to impose his views. Thats called fascism

That's just BS. Tell me how you distinguish a view from being expressed from being imposed? Only he who has the power to impose can do so.