fireball
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Can I suggest that
1) you put a lanyard on the engine
2) you put a lifejacket on the baby or it's containor ...
Speeding Jetskis - police action - brilliant news
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1) you put a lanyard on the engine
2) you put a lifejacket on the baby or it's containor ...
JasonClark
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lol ^
Can I suggest to the OP
1) You put a lanyard on that other boat across the way there
2) Pull really bloody hard on it when Jetski'er approaches
3) Sail off into the horizon with a bloody great big smile on your face !
Can I suggest to the OP
1) You put a lanyard on that other boat across the way there
2) Pull really bloody hard on it when Jetski'er approaches
3) Sail off into the horizon with a bloody great big smile on your face !
Elessar
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I get that completely. A good quote rather out of context. How did it get into another mobos make wash post?
Remember what this was all about.
Dylan says "yahoo I got a prat on a jetski prosecuted".
EVERYBODY agreed the jetski was out of order, but some, me included, were worried about the manner of the prosecution.
Then I was accused of supporting the jetskier!
In the debate someone pointed out that he sometimes goes over the speed limit as long as he's not affecting anyone - as it reduces wash and is more comfortable than sticking to the limit. It amazes me how people not used to planing boats often don't appreciate this.
People then leap on only half of that statement and it goes down to the lowest common denominator again, oh no guess what mobos make wash. Well we can try and educate the berks so they don't do that in silly places, but other than that chilling might be your best and only option.
(BTW trying to tot up in my head the number of hours I've spent in sailing boats less than 20ft and whilst I've not done so for a while I reckon it's probably about 1000)
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RIB_imposter
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Except the case I believe you are referring to was a family friend (so presumably less likely to be pursued like this!) and as far as I am aware was not in a speed limit area!
which presumably creates a reasonable wash?
oh the irony that the person yelling obsenities is behind the camera! is it better that you are disturbed by continuous noise for say 5 minutes or by a louder noise for say 2 minutes...
I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Its the revelling in the punishment of the jetskiers that offends me, as though this was the "mission" rather than enjoying a nice day on the water. They probably deserve a punishment, they would probably learn more from a *******ing (by the police or harbour master not you) and perhaps even being invited on your (or a similar) boat to see it from the otherside [bear in mind that many of these guys go looking for wakes to jump, so don't appreciate that it might actually cause you REAL problems].
jenku
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Don't know about Dylan's boat but you would probably be amazed by how little wash my own 19-footer makes at hull speed (5 knots). Going at 4 knots through my club's moorings, the moored boats barely move.
Habebty
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I must admit that I am getting a bit fed up with all the bejewelled phukwits tearing up and down the Orwell very often skiing (or lately) running out of fuel in the main channel.
Often I sit on a mooring at Levington and watch these idiots oblivious to other vessel movements having near misses all the time.
Then I see the occaisonal rib flash by - well out of the main channel in the shallower areas at high water creating less wash at 20 knots than I do sailing at 6knots. (Orwell speed limit is 6 knots) and I think... yeah that kind of makes sense as the probably RYA Powerboat level 2 trained person scoots by.
Personally, I sail and love sailing to feel the movement of a boat when both sailing and moored. When moored I prepare food and drink as though I were at sea - and expect movement, (personal choice really I know) be it from commercial vessels passing by or the mobos pushing a huge hump of water in front of them at 6 knots.
This does not however excuse dangerous behaviour creating wash near small craft and in close quarters.
I support Dylan in his quest to rid the planet of idiots but agree with Observer in his note for common sense. So surely the issue is around judgement of what is common sense and how to arrive at a common sense decision about speed and dare I say it allow acceptable speeding in a safe situation.
Plainly, ripping through moorings on any fast craft is stupid. But doing 20 knots a safe distance away creating little wash to protect people stirring their tomato soup down below is ok perhaps.
Maybe compulsory basic training for all craft capable of more than...... where shall we start? say 10knots? - will impart enough judgement to allow people to make that decision. Then more people can go faster (when appropriate), creating less wash in a safer educated way.
(Just a thought, so don't go getting all arsey about it and over defensive chaps)
Often I sit on a mooring at Levington and watch these idiots oblivious to other vessel movements having near misses all the time.
Then I see the occaisonal rib flash by - well out of the main channel in the shallower areas at high water creating less wash at 20 knots than I do sailing at 6knots. (Orwell speed limit is 6 knots) and I think... yeah that kind of makes sense as the probably RYA Powerboat level 2 trained person scoots by.
Personally, I sail and love sailing to feel the movement of a boat when both sailing and moored. When moored I prepare food and drink as though I were at sea - and expect movement, (personal choice really I know) be it from commercial vessels passing by or the mobos pushing a huge hump of water in front of them at 6 knots.
This does not however excuse dangerous behaviour creating wash near small craft and in close quarters.
I support Dylan in his quest to rid the planet of idiots but agree with Observer in his note for common sense. So surely the issue is around judgement of what is common sense and how to arrive at a common sense decision about speed and dare I say it allow acceptable speeding in a safe situation.
Plainly, ripping through moorings on any fast craft is stupid. But doing 20 knots a safe distance away creating little wash to protect people stirring their tomato soup down below is ok perhaps.
Maybe compulsory basic training for all craft capable of more than...... where shall we start? say 10knots? - will impart enough judgement to allow people to make that decision. Then more people can go faster (when appropriate), creating less wash in a safer educated way.
(Just a thought, so don't go getting all arsey about it and over defensive chaps)
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LONG_KEELER
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On the other side of the river at St Lawrence Bay there were even bigger problems than at W Mersea.
They solved the problem quite simply by closing the slipway. Future launchers had to be a member of the Motorboat Club to launch.
I use to have a mooring in The Strood at W Mersea but this problem, coupled with problems with my dinghy and crabbers on the pontoon helped me decide to move on. Also, I have to say that the yacht racing boys, using the ribs to get out to their yachts were just as bad as the Water Scooters.
They solved the problem quite simply by closing the slipway. Future launchers had to be a member of the Motorboat Club to launch.
I use to have a mooring in The Strood at W Mersea but this problem, coupled with problems with my dinghy and crabbers on the pontoon helped me decide to move on. Also, I have to say that the yacht racing boys, using the ribs to get out to their yachts were just as bad as the Water Scooters.
dylanwinter
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this is even worse
someone has just posted this incident with jetskis in Ireland
its on a on a parallel mobo thread over on the other side - which is very illuminating
The defenders of high speed travel got a pretty rough ride over there too
I post it because you sailing types with your annoying slow and quiet sailing , erratic tacking and frapping halyards won't have seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdVlnqrYXw
anyone out there prepared to step up to the plate and defend this one then
I can't wait
Dylan
someone has just posted this incident with jetskis in Ireland
its on a on a parallel mobo thread over on the other side - which is very illuminating
The defenders of high speed travel got a pretty rough ride over there too
I post it because you sailing types with your annoying slow and quiet sailing , erratic tacking and frapping halyards won't have seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdVlnqrYXw
anyone out there prepared to step up to the plate and defend this one then
I can't wait
Dylan
RIB_imposter
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Actually I think your original video is probably worse! But maybe this is becoming an obsession for you and you should spend more time actually enjoying your boat than getting wound up about other people enjoying theirs, even if you don't like the way they are doing it, or they are being stupid or inconsiderate?
srp
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I've often wondered if there is such a thing as someone who is more stupid than a half-wit. Dylan's little video confirms that there certainly is.
Marine Police
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PWC Speeding Mersea Island
Hi Everyone I thought I should make a show to put this issue to rest.
We at the Marine Unit Burnham are responsible for policing the now longest coast line in the UK.
In addition to daily patrol and crime dealing we do report for prosecution those who break the rules on the water and local byelaws.
My main aim is water safety, we have far too many accidents each year to deal with because of the minority who chose to spoil it for the rest of you.
In relation to the Video posted I must take action purely for the fact that it has been brought to my attention by the Colchester borough council.
How it works:
I deal with speeders and rule breakers on a daily basis, due to the shortage of water bourne enforcement such as water bailiffs and harbour masters the role is one that we regularly assist in.
Generally we report offenders to the local council who employ solicitors to deal with such maters.
Fines are generally high as we cant ban people from the water or put points on a licence as we do with road traffic.
I enforce the speed by estimation, speed camera and also and more commonly by evidence such as photo or video supplied by members of the public.
Every incident is treated separately.
We we receive hundreds of complaints every year by water users who witness such poor behaviour.
Speeding through a byelaw area is both irresponsible and dangerous.
The speed in the video supplied could easily have ended in someone being seriously injured if swimming in the water.
I will work hard to identify the offenders specific to this incident.
I am happy to be contacted for any advice in relation to use of craft on the waters around Essex, I am happy to answer any legal questions, if I don't know the answer I will find it for you.
We at the marine unit are very experienced boat men and women, all trained up to yacht master and advanced powerboat and myself also in the use of PWC (commonly known as the jet ski), we police the waters in Rhibs, Launches and a PWC.
I hope this answers some of the comments in this thread.
Oh just for the record I logged on under my wife's email hence the inappropriate name.
Hi Everyone I thought I should make a show to put this issue to rest.
We at the Marine Unit Burnham are responsible for policing the now longest coast line in the UK.
In addition to daily patrol and crime dealing we do report for prosecution those who break the rules on the water and local byelaws.
My main aim is water safety, we have far too many accidents each year to deal with because of the minority who chose to spoil it for the rest of you.
In relation to the Video posted I must take action purely for the fact that it has been brought to my attention by the Colchester borough council.
How it works:
I deal with speeders and rule breakers on a daily basis, due to the shortage of water bourne enforcement such as water bailiffs and harbour masters the role is one that we regularly assist in.
Generally we report offenders to the local council who employ solicitors to deal with such maters.
Fines are generally high as we cant ban people from the water or put points on a licence as we do with road traffic.
I enforce the speed by estimation, speed camera and also and more commonly by evidence such as photo or video supplied by members of the public.
Every incident is treated separately.
We we receive hundreds of complaints every year by water users who witness such poor behaviour.
Speeding through a byelaw area is both irresponsible and dangerous.
The speed in the video supplied could easily have ended in someone being seriously injured if swimming in the water.
I will work hard to identify the offenders specific to this incident.
I am happy to be contacted for any advice in relation to use of craft on the waters around Essex, I am happy to answer any legal questions, if I don't know the answer I will find it for you.
We at the marine unit are very experienced boat men and women, all trained up to yacht master and advanced powerboat and myself also in the use of PWC (commonly known as the jet ski), we police the waters in Rhibs, Launches and a PWC.
I hope this answers some of the comments in this thread.
Oh just for the record I logged on under my wife's email hence the inappropriate name.
LONG_KEELER
Well-Known Member
Cannot defend it but can probably understand it.
When you are young you are invincible and you know that nothing bad can happen to you or anyone near you. These things happen to others.
They are having fun and enjoying themselves. Some may even be male nurses looking after your old mum.
Fire99
Well-Known Member
Maybe we can try and rein this back into the point in hand. 
The guys in the 'video' need atleast a good smack on the wrists and yeah maybe taking a look at things from the other side of the camera.
But lets not start to generalise this into an Anti-'anything with an engine that travels quickly' issue. It takes weight away from the original point.
The guys in the 'video' need atleast a good smack on the wrists and yeah maybe taking a look at things from the other side of the camera.
But lets not start to generalise this into an Anti-'anything with an engine that travels quickly' issue. It takes weight away from the original point.
Observer
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I'm not sure what it is about that that you find so awful. A few PWCs larking about - not particularly close to other vessels. Soaking a few people on the beach but do we know they weren't participating in and enjoying that. Of course you could say there was some risk - something may have gone wrong - someone may have been hurt. But other than that I thought it was reasonably harmless fun. The speeding through the moorings was far less acceptable behavious, imo.
Twister_Ken
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Saw a tee-shirt recently:
"It's only funny until someone gets hurt. And then it's hilarious".
Devised, maybe, by a waterscooterist.
On the other hand...
"It's only funny until someone gets hurt. And then it's hilarious".
Devised, maybe, by a waterscooterist.
On the other hand...
It amazes me that there is anyone so small minded to complain about the language in the circumstances.Hopefully we still have the freedom of speech so hard fought for & won by our ancestors.....
Good news indeed Dylan & nice to know that there are cops out there that are pro active & part of the community.
rudolph_hart
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As a local, here's my £0.02 worth:
AFAIK, there is an 8 knot speed limit throughout the Mersea Quarters, although there is an area near The Strood (away from moorings) which serves as a 'designated waterski area'.
Even though PWCs plane below 8kt, it is pretty obvious that both of those in the Youtube clip were exceeding 8kt.
Again AFAIK, nowhere within the Quarters is anything like 500 yards wide, and the moorings are really packed in close together in places, because at low water these channels are very narrow.
I don't know when the clip was made, but two PWCs that looked very like these two also went through the Salcott moorings at well above 8kt a couple of weekends ago.
AFAIK, there is an 8 knot speed limit throughout the Mersea Quarters, although there is an area near The Strood (away from moorings) which serves as a 'designated waterski area'.
Even though PWCs plane below 8kt, it is pretty obvious that both of those in the Youtube clip were exceeding 8kt.
Again AFAIK, nowhere within the Quarters is anything like 500 yards wide, and the moorings are really packed in close together in places, because at low water these channels are very narrow.
I don't know when the clip was made, but two PWCs that looked very like these two also went through the Salcott moorings at well above 8kt a couple of weekends ago.
drawkins
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read Oceanfroggies posting!
terrifying children,buzzing tenders,all in a prohibited area.hardly harmless fun
gordmac
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I have often wondered why some (a minority?) of sailing boat owners seem to dislike motorboats, some of the input here has given me a bit of an answer.
There seems to be a number of people who think the world should revolve around them and nobody should be allowed to do anything at all which causes any inconvenience to them (even if this is the same thing as the person themselves may do, when you are a pedestrian do you moan about drivers driving the way you do?). This is a similar mentality (maybe not so extreme) to the person who does what they like without considering the consequences to others. I suspect the people speeding through the moorings don't think that there could be small tenders or even a swimmer near them, I doubt if they would deliberately risk others. Education in consideration for others is a good idea, if you have never been in a small tender or aboard a moored boat are you going to have any idea what happens in a large wake?
Consideration for others is important but it works both ways. You may have, in your travels, anchored up in a nice little bay hoping to have peace and quiet and be disturbed by a jetski using the bay. You have no more or less right to be there than the jetski has and no right to expect it to go away and not bother you. Meanwhile the jetski owner, who's house overlooks the bay is cursing yet another yacht mooring in the middle of the bit he likes to use with the jetski to unwind after work.
There seems to be a number of people who think the world should revolve around them and nobody should be allowed to do anything at all which causes any inconvenience to them (even if this is the same thing as the person themselves may do, when you are a pedestrian do you moan about drivers driving the way you do?). This is a similar mentality (maybe not so extreme) to the person who does what they like without considering the consequences to others. I suspect the people speeding through the moorings don't think that there could be small tenders or even a swimmer near them, I doubt if they would deliberately risk others. Education in consideration for others is a good idea, if you have never been in a small tender or aboard a moored boat are you going to have any idea what happens in a large wake?
Consideration for others is important but it works both ways. You may have, in your travels, anchored up in a nice little bay hoping to have peace and quiet and be disturbed by a jetski using the bay. You have no more or less right to be there than the jetski has and no right to expect it to go away and not bother you. Meanwhile the jetski owner, who's house overlooks the bay is cursing yet another yacht mooring in the middle of the bit he likes to use with the jetski to unwind after work.
webcraft
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The most recent tragedy was a few days ago up this way in Ardnamurchan.
No-one yet knows the exact circumstances surrounding this tragic accident, but I think it ilustrates clearly that these things are dangerous and people need to at least be made aware of that.
(Although personally I think a test and driving license should be required for PWC - and indeed for any waterborne vehicle capable of speeds in excess of, say, 20 knots)
- W
Jetskis have caused at least a few innocent deaths - I think a bit more education is needed.
The most recent tragedy was a few days ago up this way in Ardnamurchan.
No-one yet knows the exact circumstances surrounding this tragic accident, but I think it ilustrates clearly that these things are dangerous and people need to at least be made aware of that.
(Although personally I think a test and driving license should be required for PWC - and indeed for any waterborne vehicle capable of speeds in excess of, say, 20 knots)
- W