maxi77
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In reality too many of them just do not know any better having bought them from e-bay or an unscrupulous retailer who does not tell them about safety speed limits and common sense on the water.
Speeding Jetskis - police action - brilliant news
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dylanwinter
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you tube HD is a quarter the screen size of true HD - plenty of scope to crank up the image - and more footage as they screamed past going both ways.
Fire99
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Well as much as i'm against draconian enforcement of things, hopefully these guys will get their collars felt. It may even send out a good message to others too.
dylanwinter
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I am grateful to Observer for his honesty
but as I understand from the posting the justification for accasionally breaking the speed limit is;
it is more comfortable (for the rib driver presumably), uses less fuel and officialdom can't see him.
Brilliant - thats alright then
but as I understand from the posting the justification for accasionally breaking the speed limit is;
it is more comfortable (for the rib driver presumably), uses less fuel and officialdom can't see him.
Brilliant - thats alright then
snooks
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As I tried to explain, unless you saw the footage straight from the camera, you won't have seen the full quality of the images, or the full detail. The little HD button on Youtube is still not the quality it was recorded at, nowhere near in fact
snooks
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I think that's pretty fair...I'm not going to exceed the speed limit on a motorway if I can see a police car, it's more comfortable, I get home quicker, and no one was harmed in my journey....That's alright then
I'm not advocating, and I don't drive at 40 in a 10mph zone, which is what these doughnuts on PWC were doing
There is a difference, and may common sense prevail
IanH
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You missed out the key justification/qualification which is all the above PLUS doesn't inconvienience others.
dylanwinter
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shoreline damage along our salt marsh fringed estuaries?
Fire99
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I see where you are coming from and agree with you.
Common sense is the key here. We're not talking about someone doing 8kts in a 6 limit or creating a little too much wash for the river of which both would be pretty much either ignored or perhaps the river police passing by giving a wave to calm it down a touch.
Here are guys giving it full beans through the middle of a mooring area. There is no grey in this scenario. They're just being berks and being oblivious of the possible consequences.
This isn't 'Mr Boaty' spilling his tea. This is a real safety issue.
Refueler
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jenku
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Dunno how much wash that is, my experience is that there usually is lots of spray but not so much wash. After all, they are quite small and light things. Nothing at all compared to mobos.
fireball
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Oh come on - even you can't expect that one to stick - there is more "damage" by the waves created by strong wind than any motor or sailing vessel passing through.
I don't disagree that the jetskiers in your video were acting in a reckless manner - and I'm happy that Mr Plod is taking an interest - hopefully to prevent similar occurances.
However, what would be your stance if it was a couple of racing dinghies coming through at that speed? Does the speed limit apply to them too? They'd create far less wash, but would be equally dangerous to anyone casting off in a flubber or swimming in the vicinity ...
Observer
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I think you're being ironic. And you missed (or didn't give due weight to):
That would, necessarily, include matters such as bank erosion (which you mentioned later).
On the water (and on the road) I try to be, and take pride in being, a considerate and thoughtful driver. I don't say I always succeed nor that my actions are always above criticism; but I will try, with an open mind, to see things from the perspective of people around me.
I don't (and don't apologise for not doing) strictly observe rules and regulations that, on such consideration as I feel appropriate, appear to constrain my freedom of action without moral justification (of course my morality is necessarily subjective). I accept the possibility that this philosophy, from time to time, may place me outside the boundary of what is strictly 'legal', and I am willing to live with that.
dylanwinter
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wash
wash comment was about the rib man talking about comfort and fuel efficiency
but our essex salt marshes are incredibly vulnerable - I can asure you that the wash from ribs or speedboats does far more damage than any sort of chop that can build up in a 200 meter wide channel.
type.... salt marsh wash damage ... into google and spend a depressing afternoon looking through the refernces
wash comment was about the rib man talking about comfort and fuel efficiency
but our essex salt marshes are incredibly vulnerable - I can asure you that the wash from ribs or speedboats does far more damage than any sort of chop that can build up in a 200 meter wide channel.
type.... salt marsh wash damage ... into google and spend a depressing afternoon looking through the refernces
Elessar
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yawn, really scraping the barrel now. You hate things with engines, find an excuse to criticise......
If erosion is the problem, a speed limit isn't the answer. In the US they have no wake zones where the environment is at risk. That's what they should have where it really is an issue - and those places are rare.
They enforce it by the way by coming up alongside and ordering you to cut your throttle. If the bow dips, you're nicked.
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dylanwinter
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engines
I have an engine in my 19 foot the boat - but hull speed is four knots
As Jenku - a most admirable sailor - once posted
"The problem here is that mobos and yachts are not equal in the capacity to effect each other on the water. Apart from collision the worst thing a sailboat can do to a mobo is force it to alter course or slow down. On the other hand _every_ passing motorboat's wash effects the sailboat immediately, more or less depending on the wind conditions from quite little to stopping it completely in its progress.
So as the effect on each other is not equal, the request for equal consideration will not solve the problem. It's unequal consideration that's required, unfortunately. "
Its hard to explain to the users of high speed boats when they ask us slow movers to chill out
When a sailing boat goes past, however big it is, its quiet, peaceful and slow - even when under power they are generally going slowly
but everytime a power boat goes past at high speed its noisy and creates a disturbance. Some of the washes are incredible
try to imagine a world in which half the people in it were in the habit of shouting at everyone they pass and also like to give them a jolly good shaking just for good measure.
That is what it feels like to be in a 19 foot sailing boat when a high speed 30 footer goes past.
chilling out is hard to do.
I have an engine in my 19 foot the boat - but hull speed is four knots
As Jenku - a most admirable sailor - once posted
"The problem here is that mobos and yachts are not equal in the capacity to effect each other on the water. Apart from collision the worst thing a sailboat can do to a mobo is force it to alter course or slow down. On the other hand _every_ passing motorboat's wash effects the sailboat immediately, more or less depending on the wind conditions from quite little to stopping it completely in its progress.
So as the effect on each other is not equal, the request for equal consideration will not solve the problem. It's unequal consideration that's required, unfortunately. "
Its hard to explain to the users of high speed boats when they ask us slow movers to chill out
When a sailing boat goes past, however big it is, its quiet, peaceful and slow - even when under power they are generally going slowly
but everytime a power boat goes past at high speed its noisy and creates a disturbance. Some of the washes are incredible
try to imagine a world in which half the people in it were in the habit of shouting at everyone they pass and also like to give them a jolly good shaking just for good measure.
That is what it feels like to be in a 19 foot sailing boat when a high speed 30 footer goes past.
chilling out is hard to do.
dylanwinter
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jenku
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Finally having finished blushing, I've to admit having forgotten I could still produce a good quote. That will help with my novel
Thanks for keeping it!
Lakesailor
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Well.
I've seen the video and read all the posts.
The water scooter riders are pillocks and deserve anything the police can make stick.
YouTube is simply a reporting facilty for the authorities to take action from, or not.
Travelling at that pace between moored boats is a stupid and dangerous practice.
As Rhumlady says, what if you were rowing you grandchildren ashore in a 7ft tender and appeared from under the bow of your yacht just as they made to pass? If they avoided hitting you there would still be a nasty moment.
No lives lost. This time.
I've seen the video and read all the posts.
The water scooter riders are pillocks and deserve anything the police can make stick.
YouTube is simply a reporting facilty for the authorities to take action from, or not.
Travelling at that pace between moored boats is a stupid and dangerous practice.
As Rhumlady says, what if you were rowing you grandchildren ashore in a 7ft tender and appeared from under the bow of your yacht just as they made to pass? If they avoided hitting you there would still be a nasty moment.
No lives lost. This time.
Cliveshep
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Rock on Lakey, spot on dear boy!
I run a mobo and always have. Current one is slow, they weren't all slow though. Notwithstanding my affinity with engines, the actions of the jetskiers and the fast runabout driver were just plain selfish, thoughtless, dangerous and frankly loutish. There's an arrogance about hacking through moorings like that says "I can do what I like and there's sod-all you can do about it"!
Frankly, it offends me.
If I were getting on or off a boat, perhaps carrying a baby or an outboard I'd lose my balance. At best the outboard would go over the side in the wash, at worst the baby.
I'm sure I posted this sort of comment earlier but I can't find it now.
I support Dylon's viewpoint, careering though moorings at speed should be curbed from the point of view of safety alone let alone the plain selfishness of upsetting everyone else whilst showing off, and lets face it, it is showing off. It's similar in behaviour to the Starskey and Hutch look-alike/behave-alike boy racers on our streets, sooner or later someone will get maimed or killed and for that reason if for no other such anti-social and dangerous behaviour must be stopped.
I run a mobo and always have. Current one is slow, they weren't all slow though. Notwithstanding my affinity with engines, the actions of the jetskiers and the fast runabout driver were just plain selfish, thoughtless, dangerous and frankly loutish. There's an arrogance about hacking through moorings like that says "I can do what I like and there's sod-all you can do about it"!
Frankly, it offends me.
If I were getting on or off a boat, perhaps carrying a baby or an outboard I'd lose my balance. At best the outboard would go over the side in the wash, at worst the baby.
I'm sure I posted this sort of comment earlier but I can't find it now.
I support Dylon's viewpoint, careering though moorings at speed should be curbed from the point of view of safety alone let alone the plain selfishness of upsetting everyone else whilst showing off, and lets face it, it is showing off. It's similar in behaviour to the Starskey and Hutch look-alike/behave-alike boy racers on our streets, sooner or later someone will get maimed or killed and for that reason if for no other such anti-social and dangerous behaviour must be stopped.