Some restrictions lifted in Italy

[sailaboutvic]

From May 4th, Italians can visit relatives as long as they take precautions and under no condition should there be large gatherings or parties,

It will be possible to move from one municipality to another but the ban on travel between different regions of Italy continues, except for proven work matters, health reasons and extraordinary circumstances.

People will be aloud to return to your second homes or villas, or visit public parks as long as there’s compliance with safety distances and requirements,

From May 4th, people in Italy will be able to exercise outdoors without restrictions or police checks (at any distance from home) as long as they follow social distancing
From May 4th, the go-ahead for take-away at restaurants,
People must go in one at a time and the food has to be consumed at home

But The lockdown will continue for bars, restaurants, hairdressers and beauticians until at least June 1st.

 

[Metabarca]

Yep, and it will be possible to have work done on your boat (but it's not clear if I can work on the boat myself; I hope to find out during the week!).

 

[sailaboutvic]

Yep, and it will be possible to have work done on your boat (but it's not clear if I can work on the boat myself; I hope to find out during the week!).

It's confusing because the report talks about not moving between region when I think it may mean provinces ,

 

[MapisM]

Nope, Regions definitely means Regions.
But it's still a bit unclear whether also travel from one municipality to another will still be restricted to specific reasons.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Municipality would indicate, local area so not to use the word region , , but then it goes on to say people will be aloud to return to their second homes or Vilias , how many people have second home or villas In the same town .
This is why I wonder if they mean province

 

[MapisM]

Hang on, we are mixing apples and oranges a bit.
The Countrywide rules are still restricting intra-Regional movements to very specific/urgent needs for the moment, and this is pretty clear.
BUT, Regions are given some flexibility on "internal" rules, and this is the reason why I said that it's not yet 100% clear if and to which extent intra-municipality (hence also intra-province) movemements will be allowed.
It is also possible, if not even likely, that there will be differences between one Region and another.
Should be clearer in a few days, I think.

 

[sailaboutvic]

I think there a lot of muddling going on here a email I just got from the marina .

yesterday there was a new conference of the Italian Prime Minister regarding the news introduced with the phase 2 starting from May 4th, but the restrictions have been extended again until May 17th. Later, we should have to move to the second part of the phase 2, with the unblock of the other remain activities.

As for travel, these will be possible within the same region for reasons of work, health, necessity or visit to relatives; transfers outside the Region will instead be allowed for work, health, urgency reasons and for returning to one's home.

We are waiting for the new order of the president of the Sicilian region, hoping to find out in detail what activities will be allowed in Sicily, especially as regards sailors and nautical sector in general.

I will try to write and send this afternoon a newsletter with the explanation of the news introduced by the new decree released yesterday.

In case of further communication from the Coast Guard, we will let you know immediately.

 

[MapisM]

Actually, the email that you received from the marina is correct, including the bit about their Region being entitled/expected to make, within the Region itself, the adaptation that they might consider appropriate.
Saying that most restrictions are extended till May 17th is just another way of saying that only a few of the current restrictions will be lifted on May 4th.
And pretty sure, also after May 17th some "general principles" will still remain (like face masks and distancing in public places) - for God knows how long.

Where are you based in Sicily?
If you will post here any further news that you will get from them, I for one would be interested to have a look.
Glad to support with translation, if that could help.
From my part, I can do the same for Sardinia, which I'm following more closely, if anyone is interested.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Actually, the email that you received from the marina is correct, including the bit about their Region being entitled/expected to make, within the Region itself, the adaptation that they might consider appropriate.
Saying that most restrictions are extended till May 17th is just another way of saying that only a few of the current restrictions will be lifted on May 4th.
And pretty sure, also after May 17th some "general principles" will still remain (like face masks and distancing in public places) - for God knows how long.

Where are you based in Sicily?
If you will post here any further news that you will get from them, I for one would be interested to have a look.
Glad to support with translation, if that could help.
From my part, I can do the same for Sardinia, which I'm following more closely, if anyone is interested.

This region bit is confusing, one would thing the whole of Sicily is one region , I guess what they mean to say is province.
I have emailed six different CG asking what the new rules mean for us regard day sail or sailing in our region ( Sicily) to be Honest I don't expect to get a reply , it's a job to get the to answer their VHF .
Some are suggesting on other sailing site that as people can from the 4th go for long walks ,exercise out side even go the the beach that sailing will be allowed within region ( Sicily ) I not at all sure that's the case and before we decided to go any where I like to see it in writing .
Any info I get I will post here

 

[MapisM]

It isn't the CG which is supposed to establish any rule - they are "only" in charge to enforce them.
Which obviously implies that they must know them, first and foremost.
But I wouldn't be surprised if at the moment, and for a few more days, they also would be unsure.

In fact, ref. your inference that since walk and exercise will be allowed, sailing also will, I think it's a bit of a stretch.
I'm not saying it will NOT be allowed, mind: just that I don't see it as an obvious implication.
I expect some pleasure-boating specific rules to be defined in the next few days, before May 4th.
I will also post here, if and as soon as I'll hear anything about them.

Anyway, just for the records, Regions (meant as those between which movements will remain restricted for the moment) definitely means Regions, of which Sicily is one, as well as Sardinia. The other 18 in mainland IT are a bit less obvious, but clearly identified anyway.
Provinces are sub-areas within each Region (for instance, there's 9 of them in Sicily, IIRC), and there's nothing related to them in the national rules.
Province-specific rules (if any) are for each Regional administration to be defined, but as of today, I'm not aware of any.
And neither I'm expecting any, actually.
I mean, I can't think of any logical reason why the Sicilian administration should define different rules for say Palermo and Trapani.
But that's within the Regional competence, so in principle they could, if they want to.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Hi thank for your take on Region , and I totally agree that exercise is a long way from taking a boat out ,
but that's some people option . Although they did go on to say going to the beach and swimming will be allowed as well as walking up mountains so I guess you can see why some maybe putting two and two together .
Any way following my last posting , I received this from the Mayor office so maybe I may have more info in days to come .

Dear Mr. Vic XXXXXX

I have forwarded your request of informations to the Port Authority of Licata

because I haven't knowledge of laws of navigation, moreover

I think are restricted, especially in this period.

The Port Authority of Licata will answer and give you the information you
need.

Best regards.

DR. VINCENZO CURELLA

 

[MapisM]

Wow, did you inquiry with the Major of Licata and actually got a written answer? I'm impressed!
Are you enjoying the place? Current restrictions aside, obviously.
I like most places along the S coast of Sicily, even if it's been a while since the last time I've been there.

 

[Metabarca]

Yep, and it will be possible to have work done on your boat (but it's not clear if I can work on the boat myself; I hope to find out during the week!).

The answer is yes, you can work on your own boat (and I've seen people at it via my club's webcam) BUT only if you are resident in the same comune as where your boat is berthed. Which cuts me out, damn it. This for Friuli Venezia Giulia; it may be different in other regions.

 

[Yngmar]

The rules are a mess, because not only can the president of Sicily override the central government rules, but each town mayor can then in turn also make their own rules. So as usual in Italy, it's a confusing mess and nobody really knows the rules.

And yes, people do have second homes in the same town - at least the Licatesi we've met last year did have exactly that (a nice summer house very near the beach that is too drafty for winter).

MapisM already explained regions - the next smaller unit is province, ours would be Agrigento. The announcement definitely said regions.

Nice work getting in touch with the mayor's office - curious to hear what comes of it (if anything).

 

[sailaboutvic]

The rules are a mess, because not only can the president of Sicily override the central government rules, but each town mayor can then in turn also make their own rules. So as usual in Italy, it's a confusing mess and nobody really knows the rules.

And yes, people do have second homes in the same town - at least the Licatesi we've met last year did have exactly that (a nice summer house very near the beach that is too drafty for winter).

MapisM already explained regions - the next smaller unit is province, ours would be Agrigento. The announcement definitely said regions.

Nice work getting in touch with the mayor's office - curious to hear what comes of it (if anything).

I let you know when I know , send a copy of the full contents of the email I got .
Check email .

 

[sailaboutvic]

I sure you guys have seen this but if not .

 

[Yngmar]

Thanks Vic, where is that from?

Translating for everyone else (Sicily):

• Allowed to visit the boat for maintenance
• not allowed to stay overnight unless the boat is your primary residence
• not allowed to take the boat out
• allowed to swim if your house is within 200m of the sea.

 

[sailaboutvic]

This as just arrived in my In box from Trapani harbour master ....
My email referred to the new rules starting 4th May

AS YOU REQUESTED IN YOUR E-MAIL DATED 27TH APRIL 202, ACTUALLY, ACCORDING TO ATTACHED ARTICLE 3 OF SICILY REGION ORDINANCE NR. 17, IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO MOVE FROM ONE MUNICIPALITY TO ANOTHER ONLY FOR: “It is allowed, as it can be traced back to a "situation of necessity" aimed at making up for food requirements and maintenance work for fire prevention, the non-entrepreneurial activity necessary for the management of agricultural land and for the care some animals.”.

MOREOVER, AS PER ARTICLE 1.1.A) OF PRESIDENT OF ITALIAN MINISTERIAN COUNCIL DATED 26TH APRIL 2020 (ALSO ATTACHED), IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO MOVE ONLY MOTIVATED BY WORK NEEDS OR SITUATIONS OF NECESSITY OR FOR REASONS OF HEALTH.

TRAPANI HARBOUR MASTER
VICE HARBOUR MASTER
ITALIAN COAST GUARD COMMADER
Marco TOGNAZZONI
Tel. 0932/543911
Mail cptrapani@mit.gov.it
PEC cp-trapani@pec.mit.gov.it

 

[sailaboutvic]

New rules start to day , they also bring in some confusing with region like Liguria saying they thinking in letting people go sailing in small group Also opening beaching and in Marghe the beaches will only be open to walk on.

 

[MapisM]

Yes, there is indeed some confusion and differences between each Region.
Will hopefully be sorted soon.