SimonX
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I have a friend who lives in Cowes and has ferries at the bottom of his garden
Soaking green off ropes - Patio Magic, Vanish, and/or biological powder?
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RunAgroundHard
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Washed all mine last year and tried a few things: -
1. Renovo Marine Rope Cleaner worked okay, soaked for a few days then rinsed in the washing machine on rinse only cycle.
2. Washed in the washing machine with biological soap powder on quick wash cycle.
3. Renovo then followed by wash in the machine with biological soap powder on quick wash cycle.
There was no real difference between the three options, including leaving one of the lines for a prolonged 4 day soak in Renovo.
Key point, don't put a line in the machine with a damaged sheath as the washing machine will pull the inner line out.
My advise is just use the washing machine with soap powder.
Typical Dirt Before Washing
After Washing (Any Method)
Inner Core Pulled Out in Washing Machine
1. Renovo Marine Rope Cleaner worked okay, soaked for a few days then rinsed in the washing machine on rinse only cycle.
2. Washed in the washing machine with biological soap powder on quick wash cycle.
3. Renovo then followed by wash in the machine with biological soap powder on quick wash cycle.
There was no real difference between the three options, including leaving one of the lines for a prolonged 4 day soak in Renovo.
Key point, don't put a line in the machine with a damaged sheath as the washing machine will pull the inner line out.
My advise is just use the washing machine with soap powder.
Typical Dirt Before Washing
After Washing (Any Method)
Inner Core Pulled Out in Washing Machine
thinwater
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Acid cleaners, in general, are bad for nylon fibers. A pH of below ~ 4.5 is a problem, getting much worse below 3.5. Battery acid will eat through a rope in minutes. Polyester or Dyneema, no problem.
Oxiclean (peroxide) would be another option. Follow the instructions, long soak.
In my experience, a long soak in hot water with laundry detergent is about all you need. Then run them through the machine in a bag. (Skip the bag and shed yarns can break the water pump. The motion can also milk the core through the cover with new rope.)
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thinwater
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Washed all mine last year and tried a few things: -
1. Renovo Marine Rope Cleaner worked okay, soaked for a few days then rinsed in the washing machine on rinse only cycle.
2. Washed in the washing machine with biological soap powder on quick wash cycle.
3. Renovo then followed by wash in the machine with biological soap powder on quick wash cycle.
There was no real difference between the three options, including leaving one of the lines for a prolonged 4 day soak in Renovo.
Key point, don't put a line in the machine with a damaged sheath as the washing machine will pull the inner line out.
My advise is just use the washing machine with soap powder.
Typical Dirt Before Washing
After Washing (Any Method)
Inner Core Pulled Out in Washing Machine
Newer ropes in general are vulnerable unless bagged.
RunAgroundHard
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It was an old halyard, about 8 years old, and the outer sheath was damaged where it had rubbed on the spreader, and no bag used in the machine.
Next time I will probably just soak in warm water and washing up powder over night, then rinse in a bucket of fresh water.
ducked
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Pillow case. .Or (and?) that Parachute line chained loop thing that I cant remember the name of. IiRC acids are contraindicated, especially for nylon. Likewise chlorine based bleach.
dunedin
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If the issue is green then I would suggest Patio Magic first and only put in washing machine if really necessary. The green normally disappears like - well magic. A soak and rinse in a bucket of fresh water helps remove salt.
Washing machine risks damage to machine and rope.
Washing machine risks damage to machine and rope.
Roberto
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Not sure what lengths of rope people generally have, I have a 40' and should I wash all ropes in the washing machine it would probably take 2-3 days, halyards sheets topping lifts etc total amount of rope must be a few hundred meters 
Also, all rope sections which are inside the mast during wintering are usually clean, it s just the exposed sections which turn to green, I personally take all these green moulded ''tails'' on the boat and plunge into a big bucket with water/benzalkonium chloride, no need for 20 temporary messengers lines, leave for one two days, then take off and dry without rinsing, they loose the green colour and seem as good as new. If the chemical deteriorates the fiber, it surely does not quicker than the normal usage, year over year ropes really do not seem to suffer I just replace them after excessive mechanical wear.
Also, all rope sections which are inside the mast during wintering are usually clean, it s just the exposed sections which turn to green, I personally take all these green moulded ''tails'' on the boat and plunge into a big bucket with water/benzalkonium chloride, no need for 20 temporary messengers lines, leave for one two days, then take off and dry without rinsing, they loose the green colour and seem as good as new. If the chemical deteriorates the fiber, it surely does not quicker than the normal usage, year over year ropes really do not seem to suffer I just replace them after excessive mechanical wear.
RunAgroundHard
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Your method sounds good, and certainly time saving. I may do that in future. In my case, 41'yacht, 5 x halyards, 1 x topping lift, 2 sets of sheets, 2 x pole up hauls it took about a morning on 30 minute cycles, with multiple lines in the machine at a time. It wasn't that big a deal and the mast was down last year anyway. With the increase in franchise DIY laundry machines, I would consider bagging the lines and doing in one batch in the large machine. I do my sail cover in such a machine every few years, very easy and quick.
Babylon
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Now done a couple of loads in the washing machine at 40deg using just Persil biological plus a dose of Vanish, and everything coming up clean and bright.
I'll use the Patio Magic on the decks.
I'll use the Patio Magic on the decks.
sigma38dave
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I took a set of halyards off the boat and washed them when I first got it, probably about 20 years ago.
I’d just bought a Miele washing machine for home and as the halyards had spliced on snap shackles I decided to go to the local laundrette in down town Gillingham rather than use my home facilities.
I chucked them all in a machine and sat back. After a couple of minutes the shackles were banging about quite loudly on the glass in the door, the assistant came out from the back room to see what was going on. I can’t remember how I smoothed that over but managed somehow…
I thought the spin cycle would be a major problem but this just pinned the metal fittings against the drum and surprisingly quietened it all down.
Not sure what happened to that machine but my home one still works perfectly
I’d just bought a Miele washing machine for home and as the halyards had spliced on snap shackles I decided to go to the local laundrette in down town Gillingham rather than use my home facilities.
I chucked them all in a machine and sat back. After a couple of minutes the shackles were banging about quite loudly on the glass in the door, the assistant came out from the back room to see what was going on. I can’t remember how I smoothed that over but managed somehow…
I thought the spin cycle would be a major problem but this just pinned the metal fittings against the drum and surprisingly quietened it all down.
Not sure what happened to that machine but my home one still works perfectly
thinwater
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Called a daisy chain. BTW, that does NOT stop the cover hernia problem; the rope I posted was daisy chained. Loose in a bag is best (don't coil--without motion it won't clean).
Another tip. If there are spliced snap shackles, cover the ends with socks, zip-tied on. If the ends may fray, this is the time to whip them.
Roberto
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This can be useful with average size ropes which are particularly dirty
https://www.snowleader.com/rope-brush-BEAL00025.html
https://www.snowleader.com/rope-brush-BEAL00025.html
UK-WOOZY
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Would jet washing a pile of ropes be ok.
ducked
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Soaking a mainsheet in WYX “laundry cleanser disinfectant” right now, after trampling underfoot in the shower and an overnight soak in the shower water. Bit of a risk since I dont know whats in this stuff, which isnt something I would buy (wimmen, yknow?) but it says its bleach free.
The rope was very green and crusty after 5 years or so abandoned aloft, and may be too UV damaged (even in Scotland) to be savable anyway
Im impressed that so much growth can be sustained just by airbourne dust.
The rope was very green and crusty after 5 years or so abandoned aloft, and may be too UV damaged (even in Scotland) to be savable anyway
Im impressed that so much growth can be sustained just by airbourne dust.
ducked
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ducked
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Practical Sailor testing says not. Damaging and ineffective
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Roberto
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It's tempting because it cleans the rope instantly, but it really wears it. Also, if done over a randomly coiled rope one ends up with banded ropes like Venice "paline"
ducked
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Didecyldimethylammonium chloride.
Having found a magnifying glass for the small print, I might cut the soak time. I might never approach the washing machine again without full PPE either.
Since this stuff has serious biomedical applications, is a persistent pollutant, and since allegedly "In addition, DDAC, as well as other quaternary ammonia compounds, can lead to the acquisition of resistance by microorganisms when employed in sub-lethal concentrations." its sale in a domestic product pandering to a cleanliness fetish seems ethically questionable.
MIGHT be ok for cleaning ropes though.
flaming
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Are this many people really not removing all their halyards etc for the winter?
The last few winters on the South coast have been mild and wet. Every spring the state of the boat is just worse - so much green.
I only need one actual halyard in the mast over winter, so that's an old one kept just for the purpose. Every working halyard is moused out. Every reefing line moused out. Jib car pullers, pole downhaul, mainsheet etc. All removed for the winter. Boom tied in place with a couple of sail ties.
Why would you leave your nice lines out in the open over winter to grow green mank on? Even on Dad's cruising boats we did this. If you splice loops into the tails of the halyards it takes less than an hour for 1 person to mouse out 3 kite halyards, a jib halyard, a pole up and 2 reefing lines.
The last few winters on the South coast have been mild and wet. Every spring the state of the boat is just worse - so much green.
I only need one actual halyard in the mast over winter, so that's an old one kept just for the purpose. Every working halyard is moused out. Every reefing line moused out. Jib car pullers, pole downhaul, mainsheet etc. All removed for the winter. Boom tied in place with a couple of sail ties.
Why would you leave your nice lines out in the open over winter to grow green mank on? Even on Dad's cruising boats we did this. If you splice loops into the tails of the halyards it takes less than an hour for 1 person to mouse out 3 kite halyards, a jib halyard, a pole up and 2 reefing lines.