Should I swap to a smaller / 3rd gen anchor?

[ylop]

Yes I got that, but who wants to train to be a professional just for a weekend away when easier alternatives exist.

Lots of people pay the RYA / their schools lots of money for training they never actually use, just as lots of people buy cookbooks and never make the recipes!

The analogy also isn't great because even a competent seaman will get caught out when a CQR fails to reset at the turn of the tide and have to re-anchor.

Lots of BBQ chefs also get caught out when the sausages flare up and get burned… but if it’s something they only do on 3 nice weekends a year the inconvenience vs the cost of a “better” tool might not make sense! Some will of course claim that new fangled technology like gas is just compensating for the lack of skill of the chef and that they are “truer” to the original art form if they use charcoal (or light their fire with flint / rubbing sticks etc)…. Some who have switched to gas will say it’s easier in many regards but it needs putting away at the end of the day in the shed and perhaps some of the convenience is lost because the cylinder makes it a bigger package etc…

It wasn’t my analogy - but actually I think it’s not bad at all. If you anchor every day or even every weekend in the summer - you will want the most convenient tool possible, easy to clean and dependable in any conditions. If your anchoring is sunshine fun and as a backup plan when the default fails you probably can make do with what you already have. If your anchor is a topic of discussion with your friends you’ll want something “on trend”. If your friends have more interesting things to talk about then they probably aren’t judging you for being stuck in the 1980s! Whichever anchor you have the experience will be better if you learn how to use it properly - preparation and thinking about wind direction and how it might change can avoid disturbing the party or upsetting the neighbours! If you are a social butterfly you perhaps want one with least effort or thought so you can interact with others - if you actually enjoy being on “duty” then perhaps one that needs constant supervision has benefits too…

 

[Sandy]

First sign of good weather, out comes the BBQ....

They, and the supermarkets, are living the dream.

I just wish that grown men would learn a) how to light a BBQ and more importantly b) cook over a BBQ.

Some men transfer their microwave cooking skills to the outdoor BBQ and you get either raw food with a crispy outer or cremated food that all tastes like charcoal.

 

[boomerangben]

I have a similar sized boat with an aluminium fortress fx7, 1.8kg, 5m 6mm chain and 20m 12mm nylon. I would suggest aluminium if you want an anchor that punches above its weight, quite literally. If you want oversized and light weight. I get that the fortress is not the easiest to handle or stow but other aluminium options are available

 

[billskip]

Some men transfer their microwave cooking skills to the outdoor BBQ and you get either raw food with a crispy outer or cremated food that all tastes like charcoal.

Tiz why they are their dogs bet friend..

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Jeeze! Discussing the effectiveness of analogies on an anchor thread, takes the biscuit.

 

[Aja]

They, and the supermarkets, are living the dream.

I just wish that grown men would learn a) how to light a BBQ and more importantly b) cook over a BBQ.

Some men transfer their microwave cooking skills to the outdoor BBQ and you get either raw food with a crispy outer or cremated food that all tastes like charcoal.

I've never really understood the relationship between men and barbecues. At home I do the washing up, which I quite enjoy leaving the cooking to my wife which she quite enjoys. It's the same in the boat. Seeing a family shivering in the wind and rain* waiting for some offering from the alpha male amuses me.

*west coast of Scotland norm this year.

 

[Poignard]

(...)
The primary design goal of the CQR was storing flat on deck, (...)

Not true.

This is an extract from the patent application:

 

[Tranona]

I have re-read the original post and suggest you do the same:

"........I was wondering whether it's worth changing?"

Read my answer again, I have given my thoughts, suggested why I have that view and put forward an alternative to buying a new anchor.

No idea what you are carping about.

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Read post#37 from the OP.

 

[Poignard]

[...]

The hinge on the CQR wears and becomes loose, The looseness of the connection alters the geometry of the shank to fluke and the fluke will be unreliable in terms of setting ability. It is possible to sleeve the hinge - but its usually sensible if this amount of wear has occurred to retire the CQR and opt for something else.

[...]

Jonathan

Even when new the amount of play is considerable.

This is an extract from the US patent application for the CQR

 

[zoidberg]

I just wish that grown men would learn a) how to light a BBQ and more importantly b) cook over a BBQ.

Outdoor cooking aka barbecue is not really a sport in which the English have much competence.

As with rugby, the reservoir of skills and ability lies in the Southern Hemisphere. 'Chuck another prawn on the barbie' Auzzies know how from an early age, while the Sunday afternoon 'braaivleis' is a rite of passage for South African men and boys. I was fortunate to have had three years of post-graduate tutoring in 'braai management' during my time in Pretoria last century, and have demonstrated proficiency in 'old wheelbarrow with bricks and sand', 'half-oildrum', 'skottelscaar' and 'roadside shovel' techniques.

...Not just a pretty face!

 

[jane444blue]

I bought a Viking for my heavier boat. Only after watching and reading 'anchor porn' all winter b4 last. It's great, I don't use the winch and it's manoeuvrable on board. (No anchor locker)
As a bonus it came with a stamped plate with the date it was made, May '22, in Kiev.

 

[doug748]

Read post#37 from the OP.

Post 37 is my post, I'm guessing you mean 36

The OP has said 3 times that he is interested in other people's opinions. I have posted mine.
It implies that I don't think any extra performance is merited on that boat - unless perhaps he is particularly well heeled. I am pleased he has responded to the suggestion that he looks for a used replacement.

I will go further, even though it might upset your ideas about how chat sites work. It would be good to have a smaller anchor on the Fox Terrier, personally I don't like CQRs. However to expect a new design to perform better, because it is newer, is crackers.



An extract from one of the few anchor testers worth consideration.

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[lustyd]

However to expect a new design to perform better, because it is newer, is crackers.

Nobody said it was because it was newer. It's because the newer generations benefit from decades more development and actual science being used to design something that sets, resets, and holds a boat rather than something that folds neatly for on deck storage that wasn't designed with setting or holding in mind. When CQR was designed the belief was that heavier was better for both anchor and chain, and both have been proven incorrect.

 

[doug748]

.........the belief was that heavier was better for both anchor and chain, and both have been proven incorrect.

Only for those with a vivid imagination.

 

[Sandy]

I've never really understood the relationship between men and barbecues. At home I do the washing up, which I quite enjoy leaving the cooking to my wife which she quite enjoys. It's the same in the boat. Seeing a family shivering in the wind and rain* waiting for some offering from the alpha male amuses me.

*west coast of Scotland norm this year.

I enjoy cooking and do 95% of it at home and 100% onboard.

Why anybody wants to reek of fatty woodsmoke is well out of my sphere of understanding.

If I lived in a warmer, sunnier climate I might have a BBQ in the garden and an outdoor shower.

Getting back to anchoring. How many weeks does the OP anchor each year?

 

[billskip]

I wonder how good a 1kg carbon fibre anchor is (of the best design) that has a displacement of 1.1 kg ....after all lighter is better, so a big strong light carbon fibre anchor is a must have...maybe carbon fibre chain also....looking forward to new technology....

 

[NormanS]

Nobody said it was because it was newer. It's because the newer generations benefit from decades more development and actual science being used to design something that sets, resets, and holds a boat rather than something that folds neatly for on deck storage that wasn't designed with setting or holding in mind. When CQR was designed the belief was that heavier was better for both anchor and chain, and both have been proven incorrect.

I don't know about "proven incorrect", but as I have said several times before, when I've been anchored in gale conditions, I don't remember ever wishing that either my anchor or my chain were lighter.

 

[zoidberg]

If I lived in a warmer, sunnier climate I might have a BBQ in the garden and an outdoor shower.

I did.... I did.... and I did.

Winter around Pretoria - the 'Jacaranda City' - was wall-to-wall blue sky for months on end. Cold through the night - sometimes briefly zero - but shirtsleeve weather for this expat Jock once the sun was up. I had a walled outdoor shower with H&C off the master bedroom, and hibiscus growing on trellis up the walls. Just the thing to start the day! Then a 3-mile cycle ride to the 'office' where my thin-blooded colleagues were huddled around an oil-filled electric convector heater.

Smug Ar Us.

 

[Tranona]

Post 37 is my post, I'm guessing you mean 36

The OP has said 3 times that he is interested in other people's opinions. I have posted mine.
It implies that I don't think any extra performance is merited on that boat - unless perhaps he is particularly well heeled. I am pleased he has responded to the suggestion that he looks for a used replacement.

I will go further, even though it might upset your ideas about how chat sites work. It would be good to have a smaller anchor on the Fox Terrier, personally I don't like CQRs. However to expect a new design to perform better, because it is newer, is crackers.

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An extract from one of the few anchor testers worth consideration.

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And your point? It clearly shows that all the anchors that are "better" than the CQR, are lighter and 3 out of the 7 considerably lighter. The only NG anchor that underperforms according to this site is the Rocna and this is the only "test" that comes to this conclusion.

The advice to the OP has been consistent about the benefits of downsizing and that in general newer designs (various brands) will be more effective for any given size.

 

[Tranona]

I don't know about "proven incorrect", but as I have said several times before, when I've been anchored in gale conditions, I don't remember ever wishing that either my anchor or my chain were lighter.

I admire your feelings and your conviction - but have you ever anchored using lighter chain and anchor? If not your statement is meaningless.