Scotland

[afterpegassus]

"from South of the boarder."

"I think you should read the rest of my post carefully, as carefully as I wrote it"

As I said, myopic.

 

[LittleShip]

Don't worry we do reading skills on Wednesday afternoons.

Tom.

 

[NormanS]

Well said, and isn't it a pity that some won't.

Personally I find it very disturbing that some on here seem to have a hatred of anything from South of the boarder. QUOTE]

Are you sure you have read this thread? Someone here wants to tow Scotland out into the middle of the Atlantic, and sink it there.

I get the impression that most of the uninformed bluster* is coming from dahn sarf.
*I would like to think, possibly naively, that hatred is too strong a word.

 

[LittleShip]

Would "dislike" be better, it's too late to change the post now.

The point of my original post was to stress that I didn't realise the strong feeling against England, the South the government or whatever.

Never mind

Tom.

 

[awol]

Would "dislike" be better, it's too late to change the post now.

The point of my original post was to stress that I didn't realise the strong feeling against England, the South the government or whatever.

Never mind

Tom.

Well, I have scanned through all the posts of this thread and can find no vitriol or hatred directed at the English. There are some, presumably meant as humourous, posts less than complementary to Scotland but none aimed at England.

I would hope the "strong feeling" of the "Yes" proponents is a positive for the possibilities of the future. Of necessity this compares the aspirations of independence against the reality of Westminster government and finds the latter wanting. It doesn't mean we hold any enmity towards the English people though quite a few north of the border will be cheering for the Welsh on Sunday.

 

[NormanS]

Would "dislike" be better, it's too late to change the post now.

The point of my original post was to stress that I didn't realise the strong feeling against England, the South the government or whatever.

Never mind

Tom.

From where I'm standing, there certainly is a dislike of being governed by a coalition of two political parties, for whom practically nobody in the country voted. But please don't take that to equal a hatred, dislike, or whatever, of England or the English. We are slightly more mature than that.

 

[puddock]

The point of my original post was to stress that I didn't realise the strong feeling against England, the South the government or whatever.

Never mind

Tom.

From the point of view of someone who will be voting NO, I have perceived it as the other way around to be honest. In my opinion, I'd say Mr Cameron is doing more for the YES campaign than that idiot Salmond and is exaggerating and encouraging discord between us.

Anyway, a bloody stupid idea. The Union isn't perfect by any means but has served us well for hundreds of years. I know as many Scottish w*n*ers as I do English wa*ke*s

 

[dgadee]

I am Scots but have no vote. I never was a nationalist, but two things changed my view. First, meeting a senior member of the Finnish government in Helsinki who said, "Why not? We manage and in the EU we punch above our weight". The second is the rise of London as a city state consuming the wealth of the country yet telling us that they financially support the rest of the UK.

 

[JumbleDuck]

The Scottish vote has never influenced which party rules Westminster since McMillan.

Harold Wilson had general election majorities of 4 in 1964 and 3 in October 1974. In 1964 Labour MPs were returned in 43 out 71 seats in Scotland and in 1974 it was 41 out of 71.

 

[EuanMcKenzie]

Looks like we're carrying on so some more of my tuppence worth

The real flaw is that Westminster is both the English and UK Government so their policies tend to be favored to the majority who are English.

I have long since believed that the cure is to address the west Lothian question and give England devolution from the UK rather than independence from the UK for Scotland (and the Scots shouldn't have a say in English matters either)

This would parallel the American system where states run domestic life and the centralized government only deals with national policy. To me this deals with the greatest gripe from Scotland which is Westminster interference in stuff that isn't their concern.

Unfortunately i gave up on this discussion because England doesn't seem to get it - I still live in hope though

 

[maxi77]

I am Scots but have no vote. I never was a nationalist, but two things changed my view. First, meeting a senior member of the Finnish government in Helsinki who said, "Why not? We manage and in the EU we punch above our weight". The second is the rise of London as a city state consuming the wealth of the country yet telling us that they financially support the rest of the UK.

I agree the rest of the UK funds the nice life for the bankers in London with their bonuses. They actually spend more per head on Londoners than the spend on any other area of the UK, it is not the Celtic fringe that are the scroungers but those who live and work in the south east

 

[Dave-Shafa]

scotland is becoming a DUMP.
Covered in windfarms and fish farms.
Winfdarms which will blight the landscape forever.
Fish farms which are destroying the sea.

 

[Ludd]

scotland is becoming a DUMP.
Covered in windfarms and fish farms.
Winfdarms which will blight the landscape forever.
Fish farms which are destroying the sea.

The biggest problem appears to be flatulence originating in Inversnecky----hence all the windfarms.
By the way, how DO you farm the wind?
Do they use dogfish to herd the farmed fish?

 

[rotrax]

I agree the rest of the UK funds the nice life for the bankers in London with their bonuses. They actually spend more per head on Londoners than the spend on any other area of the UK, it is not the Celtic fringe that are the scroungers but those who live and work in the south east

And if you cannot see why this is-and needs to be-the case, there is no hope for you understanding the implications of the SNP's myth.....................

The whole of Scotland has less population than the Greater London area, and substantially less infrastructure.

This requires maintaining, improving and adding to as the population increases.

Scotland, despite what the SNP would have you believe, does fairly well by comparison.

The odd Scottish city has been known not to make the best use of this money.....................

 

[NormanS]

scotland is becoming a DUMP.
Covered in windfarms and fish farms.
Winfdarms which will blight the landscape forever.
Fish farms which are destroying the sea.

As I have already said, if you hate the place so much, why stay there?

 

[JumbleDuck]

The odd Scottish city has been known not to make the best use of this money.....................

Did you know that the projected cost of Crossrail is more, in real terms, than the cost of the Jubilee Line extension, HS1 from the tunnel to St Pancras and the West Coast Main Line upgrade put together?

 

[Amulet]

Endangered species in Scotland

There are more giant pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs. Should we be worrying about their (whose?) possible extinction? Mind you, pandas are more useful - in fact I'd say that appointing one as Education Secretary (for example) could only bring improvement.

 

[maxi77]

And if you cannot see why this is-and needs to be-the case, there is no hope for you understanding the implications of the SNP's myth.....................

The whole of Scotland has less population than the Greater London area, and substantially less infrastructure.

This requires maintaining, improving and adding to as the population increases.

Scotland, despite what the SNP would have you believe, does fairly well by comparison.



The odd Scottish city has been known not to make the best use of this money.....................

I did say more per head not more in general so your point about population size is pretty pointless but one gets used to such comments, I have had to put up with that sort of thing for most of my life. What gets my goat is the perpetual suggestion that Scots get more money than any one else when the greediest part of the UK actually gets more per person than any where else in the whole UK, despite much of England being in desperate need of development. They are being conned into believing it is the nasty greedy Scots who get all the money when the reality is it is the rich south east that gets the money.

As for individual Scots cities not making the best use of the cash, one remembers the the exhortation to those who live in glass houses not to throw stones

 

[gordmac]

And if you cannot see why this is-and needs to be-the case, there is no hope for you understanding the implications of the SNP's myth.....................

The whole of Scotland has less population than the Greater London area, and substantially less infrastructure.

This requires maintaining, improving and adding to as the population increases.

Scotland, despite what the SNP would have you believe, does fairly well by comparison.

The odd Scottish city has been known not to make the best use of this money.....................

I don't see why this needs to be the case please enlighten me.
There must be huge economies of scale to be made with such a high population density, why do Londoners need more money per head than anywhere else?

 

[rotrax]

Did you know that the projected cost of Crossrail is more, in real terms, than the cost of the Jubilee Line extension, HS1 from the tunnel to St Pancras and the West Coast Main Line upgrade put together?

Yes, which only reinforces my point.