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Oh yes, very helpful... ??
Can't help thinking the previous situation was preferable...
- W
Oh yes, very helpful... ??
Can't help thinking the previous situation was preferable...
- W
Thanks for the link. It deserves more than a casual study and may answer the question as to what new rules will be applicable to folk like myself (and yourself) who already live and have genuine residancy in a country inside Schengen. The "get around" residancy by folk who actually live in UK will have to cross a Schengen border at least twice a year.
My post is anything but rubbish but it is courteous. Can't say the same for yours.
The title of this tread admits we are visiting the same old ground and poses no questions.
We have gone around and around this discussion with no progress?
Why, because we do not KNOW what will happen so it is hardly rubbish to admit this. Schengen, may or not stay the same but individual countries administration of Schengen could vary. Individual circumstances bring an additional layer of confusion.
You are aware that rather than stand on the side-lines and lob what-if rocks into the pond, some of us have done a lot of research into how Brexit could effect us. Then discuss and share what we find on here, hopefully, for the benefit of all.
If bystanders, albeit, worried bystanders, lob rocks in my direction, I will stop sharing information in open forum.
Sorry you were ignorant of the well known acronym PIGS. I see Robbie has enlightened you.
Sorry. It was a deeper question than it appears. There is no way or requirement to "log" into the various countries en-route once inside Schengen. It is the cornerstone of the system. The requirement is to obey another law and leave voluntarily after 90 days if your situation requires it. Trust and the honour system are paramount in a working system or it will get bogged down and choke on its own rules. An example is a supermarket. It is easy to slip goods in your pocket or under your jumper to avoid paying. The system would collapse if everyone were to be searched at check-out. It is a risk a shoplifter takes. If caught the punishment should exceed the crime.
Nortada, my post was not meant to be disrespectful, as I hoped to make clear in my opening words. Your previous post was, in my opinion, largely irrelevant to the question being asked.
As for my 'ignorance' of a derogatory expression, I personally would never consider that as being 'ignorant'.
Look at your first line of your #155, then take a look in the mirror and explain to yourself how, "With respect, that is simply rubbish" is not offensive. ' With respect' qualifies nothing when you are being rude.
Moreover, it is far from rubbish.
'Don't know' is possibly one of the more sensible comments on this subject.
With respect, how have you been able to do that without a crystal ball and knowledge of what a deal or non deal might look like?... some of us have done a lot of research into how Brexit could effect us. Then discuss and share what we find on here, hopefully, for the benefit of all...
Until we know what the outcome of negotiations will be it's all supposition.
With respect, your question has been aired many times before on these forums and has never been answered completely because the truth is, that no one knows. If you have not seen the question before then maybe you "came to the party late". The only answer right now is that we will have to wait and see.With respect, that is simply rubbish - at least in relation to the question asked. We will almost certainly be subject to Schengen rules from 1/1/21. Those rules exist now. Nothing is changing in that respect. My question is, how does someone account for their movements within Schengen when they are travelling over land within the bloc and so not passing through any passport control or similar? Coming from the UK, I will have to pass through passport control at the channel. But what if I took residency in France and then wanted to travel regularly to say Italy?
And what are PIGS? Please tell me that that was not an offensive and completely unwarranted reference to the police/authorities?
With respect, how have you been able to do that without a crystal ball and knowledge of what a deal or non deal might look like?
I have subscribed to another forum for many years where one member in particular has, since the referendum, been "researching" how Brexit "might" affect us and has only managed to preach a doom scenario and negative claptrap. Most of us have stopped taking any notice of him on the basis that he is talking out of his backside. He doesn't know any more about the effects of Brexit than anyone else does. Until we know what the outcome of negotiations will be it's all supposition.
With respect, your question has been aired many times before on these forums and has never been answered completely because the truth is, that no one knows. If you have not seen the question before then maybe you "came to the party late". The only answer right now is that we will have to wait and see.
The negotiations seem to be mostly about fishing rights and competition/subsidy rules. Anything to do with freedom of movement isn't getting a look in, and even if there is some sort of deal I think it's highly doubtful that it will touch on matters relating to visas, residency, etc.
So at this very late stage it looks like a reasonable assumption that, no matter what rabbits are pulled out hats in the next couple of weeks, UK nationals will be treated exactly the same as any other 3rd party nation, e.g. like an Australian or a Zimbabwean or anybody in-between. I don't think you can call this supposition, it is just what now appears to be the most likely scenario.
I'm not completely familiar with what these rules are, but they will be exactly the same as the ones that already apply to Americans, Brazlians, Chinese people, etc- not something we should have to guess at.
With respect, your question has been aired many times before on these forums and has never been answered completely because the truth is, that no one knows. If you have not seen the question before then maybe you "came to the party late". The only answer right now is that we will have to wait and see.
Just to clarify what I wrote above. A third country citizen resident in a Schengen member state has no restriction on the number of days he can stay in that member state. However, that person is subject to the 90/180 rule in other member states of the EU. If that person stays inside Schengen member states there is no facility or requirement to "log" into other member states because there are no border controls. As above it is, at this time, a trust and honour system to leave and return to the member state he is resident in after 90 days away from it.Sorry. It was a deeper question than it appears. There is no way or requirement to "log" into the various countries en-route once inside Schengen. It is the cornerstone of the system. The requirement is to obey another law and leave volantarily after 90 days if your situation requires it. Trust and the honour system are paramount in a working system or it will get bogged down and choke on its own rules. An example is a supermarket. It is easy to slip goods in your pocket or under your jumper to avois paying. The system would collapse if everyone were to be searched at check-out. It is a risk a shoplifter takes. If caught the punishment should exceed the crime.
Just to clarify what I wrote above. A third country citizen resident in a Schengen member state has no restriction on the number of days he can stay in that member state. However, that person is subject to the 90/180 rule in other member states of the EU. If that person stays inside Schengen member states there is no facility or requirement to "log" into other member states because there are no border controls. As above it is, at this time, a trust and honour system to leave and return to the member state he is resident in after 90 days away from it.
Just for a bit of fun, that last "it" refers to being 90 days in an other member state. If he went to Turkey for instance he could spend as long as he was wanted as far as EU was concerned but if it was longer than 183 days he could lose his residence in the member state he was resident in. OK serious mode switched back to "on".
My original post above implied he must leave the EU after 90 days. Not so, he must just return to his residence Schengan member state. The English language is notorious for causing confusion when too many pronouns are used. So basically I just rewrote the original to remove as many pronouns as possible. Sorry ... Granny sucking eggs ... but I feel better to make it clearer.
Edit. Now I await complaints that I have made it confusing. Oh well.