Bigplumbs
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I follow this person on you tube and in the video below it seems scary to me how much that can break/ go wrong on what is a pretty new super yacht
Scary how much can go wrong with a new boat
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oldgit
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Poster on here many years ago discovered a litany of faults on a brand new boat from a well known and respected builder, possibly a Pearl ?
Seem to remember the engine bolts were secured to the bearers by hope and not much else .
Ended up in court ?
Seem to remember the engine bolts were secured to the bearers by hope and not much else .
Ended up in court ?
tico
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Gludy and his Trader
Portofino
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Less hassle picking up a used boat .Two ways a nearly new one already debugged by the first owner if you want a new shaper or the other way a old one leaving bags of headroom for your personal refit / update etc .
You can better control the quality either way with a surveyor of course .
Some SY owners (not sure this example in the vid applies ) get there own surveyor involved written in the contract .Periodic visits etc .
Not sure what happens with small fry , I mean lower value boats .When I bought my Sun Seeker waaaaay back in 2005 they had a finishing shed .What they did back then was get the hull into the water for 3 months without it’s cabin soles or ceiling linings .
Just test for weeps , leaks and gen other stuff faulty .After 3/12 lift it out = finishing shed for the floors + ceiling s etc fitting , scrub and antifoul etc + fit any customers special options like TV s hi fi , kitchen appliances and nav gear while it was open so to speak .Then obviously re test again before delivery.
Anyhow despite this they had a second to none tech team , well they did in the CdA and a great response time .
Once had two guys turn up a 11 pm to fix a toilet after ringing it in @ 2 pm .All the spares on the van .
Remember boats are the sum of all the parts ….many bought off the shelves.
You see tech support vans every day in the big marinas or running up / down the A8 in Fr or A 6 in IT regularly parked at the back of big new boats all manufacturers .
You can read that both ways ……..bad as in “ now what’s wrong it’s brand new ” or “ great customer service “
I read the latter having experienced it .
You can better control the quality either way with a surveyor of course .
Some SY owners (not sure this example in the vid applies ) get there own surveyor involved written in the contract .Periodic visits etc .
Not sure what happens with small fry , I mean lower value boats .When I bought my Sun Seeker waaaaay back in 2005 they had a finishing shed .What they did back then was get the hull into the water for 3 months without it’s cabin soles or ceiling linings .
Just test for weeps , leaks and gen other stuff faulty .After 3/12 lift it out = finishing shed for the floors + ceiling s etc fitting , scrub and antifoul etc + fit any customers special options like TV s hi fi , kitchen appliances and nav gear while it was open so to speak .Then obviously re test again before delivery.
Anyhow despite this they had a second to none tech team , well they did in the CdA and a great response time .
Once had two guys turn up a 11 pm to fix a toilet after ringing it in @ 2 pm .All the spares on the van .
Remember boats are the sum of all the parts ….many bought off the shelves.
You see tech support vans every day in the big marinas or running up / down the A8 in Fr or A 6 in IT regularly parked at the back of big new boats all manufacturers .
You can read that both ways ……..bad as in “ now what’s wrong it’s brand new ” or “ great customer service “
I read the latter having experienced it .
Greg2
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I remember that saga!
oldgit
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What happened in the end ?
stelican
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Gludy bought brokerage Fairline 59 from us prior to his Trader. Never heard a squeak from him.
Greg2
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What I remember is the litany of faults that were reported and discussed on here, some of which if taken at face value were incredible, such as the engine securing issue you mention. If memory serves the dealer ultimately went out of business.
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MapisM
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A title along the lines of "Scary how much can go wrong with a Bering" would have been more appropriate.
Still, scary but not surprising.
What is beyond belief is how anyone capable of making enough money to buy and operate a vessel like this can even consider having it built by a bunch of Russians whose attitude is... Well, very Russian, to put it politely. And who BTW don't own any yard, but subcontract the actual construction to whatever builder in E Europe or Turkey give them the cheapest quote at any given time.
Then again, if someone think it's clever to pick a (supposedly) ocean crossing capable boat based on price, who am I to argue?
As long as they don't expect anyone to sympathize with their complaints afterwards, all is well and good!
PowerYachtBlog
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A title along the lines of "Scary how much can go wrong with a Bering" would have been more appropriate.
Still, scary but not surprising.
What is beyond belief is how anyone capable of making enough money to buy and operate a vessel like this can even consider having it built by a bunch of Russians whose attitude is... Well, very Russian, to put it politely. And who BTW don't own any yard, but subcontract the actual construction to whatever builder in E Europe or Turkey give them the cheapest quote at any given time.
Then again, if someone think it's clever to pick a (supposedly) ocean crossing capable boat based on price, who am I to argue?
As long as they don't expect anyone to sympathize with their complaints afterwards, all is well and good!
surprisingly that the media compares this to a CDM.... probably cause of the better marketing....
Unfortunately boating has got the social media bug as well.
Obi
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I met a Scandinavian sailor in Santander. We met because I witnessed the 47 (ish) foot Jeanneau motor yacht park on top of his brand new 57' (AWB - wont name the brand) whilst we were both at Marina De Santander. The Jeannuea even ripped the finger of the main pontoon and dragged that with it onto the poor Swede's nice shiny yacht. There was some question of the (local) Jeanneau owner having had drugs, but I got the distinct impression that it was being "swept under the carpet" and the Swede left to pick up the pieces.
My yacht was a 1980 launched Oyster that had been well cared for.
I admired the newness of the Swede's yacht, and huge internal space, dishwasher, washing machine/tumble dryer, air con and so on.
However, in the first year of ownership he had a litany of previous issues to deal with that surprised me: Engine failures, seacock failures, electrical issues, rudder bearing failed, prop shaft vibration, leaking port-light, auto pilot failure, lost GPS signals, loose head-linings and more. The list of issues the brand new (several months since launch) AWB owner had to address was not dissimilar to the list I had dealt with owning a 30 year old yacht.
My yacht was a 1980 launched Oyster that had been well cared for.
I admired the newness of the Swede's yacht, and huge internal space, dishwasher, washing machine/tumble dryer, air con and so on.
However, in the first year of ownership he had a litany of previous issues to deal with that surprised me: Engine failures, seacock failures, electrical issues, rudder bearing failed, prop shaft vibration, leaking port-light, auto pilot failure, lost GPS signals, loose head-linings and more. The list of issues the brand new (several months since launch) AWB owner had to address was not dissimilar to the list I had dealt with owning a 30 year old yacht.
KevinV
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I was involved in the delivery trip of a beautiful new yacht (which will remain nameless) - I simply couldn't believe the snagging list for something of that value, no way I would have accepted it, but both builder and owner (to some extent) seemed to consider it par for the course.
A year later some of the issues were ongoing - when I figured out that one of the heads were plumbed in backwards, without a vented loop for instance ?
A year later some of the issues were ongoing - when I figured out that one of the heads were plumbed in backwards, without a vented loop for instance ?
Tranona
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Snagging problems with new boats increase with size/complexity/cost and inversely related to the numbers of the type built. Therefore as in the video expect lots of problems with boats of that type.
At the other end of the scale if you buy a simple mass produced boat you can expect virtually none if the dealer doing the commissioning is good. I have bought 2 new Bavaria sailing boats of popular type where literally hundreds were built. Both were essentially trouble free and the only snags or premature failures were on outsourced items which are also fitted to the more expensive boats. The difference is that mass produced boats are generally properly for ease of construction and maintenance but of course often have limited choices.
There is a happy medium where some builders have manged to achieve an acceptable balance between customisation and high levels of quality and consistency but as described in post#4 it requires a big investment in quality control and assurance.
At the other end of the scale if you buy a simple mass produced boat you can expect virtually none if the dealer doing the commissioning is good. I have bought 2 new Bavaria sailing boats of popular type where literally hundreds were built. Both were essentially trouble free and the only snags or premature failures were on outsourced items which are also fitted to the more expensive boats. The difference is that mass produced boats are generally properly for ease of construction and maintenance but of course often have limited choices.
There is a happy medium where some builders have manged to achieve an acceptable balance between customisation and high levels of quality and consistency but as described in post#4 it requires a big investment in quality control and assurance.
Bigplumbs
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Why is that unfortunate
MapisM
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For instance, because if someone posts a thread like this without even mentioning that it's related to a product sold by one of the most shoddy suppliers in this industry, someone else may think it's generally applicable to any new boat.
Bigplumbs
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You need to get up to speed with the modern world me thinks
Also looking at the comments from those that would know way better than me it would seem this is generally applicable
jfm
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I didn't see anything to that effect in the YouTube comments Bigplumbs.
I agree with the comments of others: imho this is a low quality boat. It is cheap of course, so people buying on price are going to take notice of Berings. I have been on board their 70 footer (only at Cannes show, not at sea) and their quality level can be seen easily.
A 2019 70 footer with busted GPS, autopilot, bow/stern thrusters, and stabilisation. As well as the wrong stabilisation system to begin with. Not great, but more importnatly this is not typical in the decent quality or mid section of the market.
Some folks may have noticed that the couple who present another YT channel called Nautistyles have just ordered a new-build Bering, about 75 feet. I expect it was a great price and also she is (I think) Russian so might get special attention from the builders, but I have to say I'm worried about their choice of boat and builder. Hope it works ok.
I agree with the comments of others: imho this is a low quality boat. It is cheap of course, so people buying on price are going to take notice of Berings. I have been on board their 70 footer (only at Cannes show, not at sea) and their quality level can be seen easily.
A 2019 70 footer with busted GPS, autopilot, bow/stern thrusters, and stabilisation. As well as the wrong stabilisation system to begin with. Not great, but more importnatly this is not typical in the decent quality or mid section of the market.
Some folks may have noticed that the couple who present another YT channel called Nautistyles have just ordered a new-build Bering, about 75 feet. I expect it was a great price and also she is (I think) Russian so might get special attention from the builders, but I have to say I'm worried about their choice of boat and builder. Hope it works ok.
MapisM
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I guess you must have missed my post #9, 'cause that was precisely an attempt to bring your own thread up to speed with the modern world.
Bigplumbs
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I have zero knowledge regarding boats/ships of this size and I know I never will have. I just thought how bad it was for how new it was and how much it must of cost. Not sure the word Cheap can be used in this regard. To me Cheap is an all you can eat Chinese Buffet for £10.99................ Different Worlds all on the same Planet
Bigplumbs
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I guess you must have missed my post #9, 'cause that was precisely an attempt to bring your own thread up to speed with the modern world.
I did see that post and just read it back. I did not understand it to be honest which is my fault not yours. To me vessels like this are not boats but ships and to be honest if they are too big to crew yourself I kind of totally loose interest...... Not that anyone would care cos I could I could probably only just afford the Tender
