horatio_nelson
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There doesn't seem to be an owners' association for these splendid yachts.
Any other owners out there interested in setting something up?
Any other owners out there interested in setting something up?
Scanmar / Scanyacht / Scanner owners
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Slowtack
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Horatio
See my reply to your previous email!
See my reply to your previous email!
DJE
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Seems like a good idea. Just coming up to the end of our first year with our 391.
horatio_nelson
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Lovely boat, same designer and looks as my 33 - bloody excellent boats, am really surprised they're not better known
horatio_nelson
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Slowtack
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I emailed you on Feb 24, 2015
You replied on May 6, 2015
You replied on May 6, 2015
Sticky Fingers
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Thread resurrection, sorry. Did you get anywhere with an owner's association?
DJE
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We met another 391 owner down in Fowey this summer.
And there is currently one for sale in Port Solent. -Now under offer it seems.
https://www.ancasta.com/boats-for-sale/scanyacht-391-30632/
And there is currently one for sale in Port Solent. -Now under offer it seems.
https://www.ancasta.com/boats-for-sale/scanyacht-391-30632/
horatio_nelson
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Sticky Fingers
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If I buy one, that's a deal. 
Bish
Member
Hi guys, I came across this thread while doing some research on scanyacht 391's. I was a bit surprised to find so little info beyond a few threads, sailboatdatbase page and a couple of youtube vids.
We have a deposit down on a 2000 model, 1.9m draft, fractional rig at the moment. We've done the survey and I'm heading up to Sydney on Wednesday for the test sail. There aren't many out here in Oz, I think maybe 6-10 were imported by Windcraft back in the day.
One reason for my research was to find some info and tech drawings for the rudder bearings set up on the 391's. The survey picked up a bit of movement in the rudder bearing. Has anyone done a replacement? Be interesting to hear what costs were involved and I'd just like to be prepared to assess further when I do the test sail this week.
Great idea to get an owners association/web site/forum going. It would be valuable to be able to share knowledge with you all and provide a resource for other purchasers. Assuming all goes well with our purchase, I'd be happy to set this up and get it rolling. I have plenty of web experience and have my own server so I can do all the setup and hosting no problem.
We have a deposit down on a 2000 model, 1.9m draft, fractional rig at the moment. We've done the survey and I'm heading up to Sydney on Wednesday for the test sail. There aren't many out here in Oz, I think maybe 6-10 were imported by Windcraft back in the day.
One reason for my research was to find some info and tech drawings for the rudder bearings set up on the 391's. The survey picked up a bit of movement in the rudder bearing. Has anyone done a replacement? Be interesting to hear what costs were involved and I'd just like to be prepared to assess further when I do the test sail this week.
Great idea to get an owners association/web site/forum going. It would be valuable to be able to share knowledge with you all and provide a resource for other purchasers. Assuming all goes well with our purchase, I'd be happy to set this up and get it rolling. I have plenty of web experience and have my own server so I can do all the setup and hosting no problem.
Sticky Fingers
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Welcome along. I didn't buy that Scanmar so the position for volunteering to set up the owners' association is still vacant....
horatio_nelson
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Scanyacht 391s are lovely. Let us know how you get on
DJE
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Bought a 391 built in 1999 about 18 months ago. The rudder set up looks robust; there is a vertical grp tube inside the hull up to above waterline. I assume that this has bearings top and bottom as there is a grease nipple half way up it. There is another bearing at cockpit floor level.
Some time I intend to drop the rudder out and inspect the bearings and it doesn't look like it will be too difficult. Once the tiller arms are taken off the stock there is only a clamp round the stock at cockpit floor level holding the rudder. Remove this and the rudder should be free to drop out. No idea how the bearings are fixed in the tube though, I'm guessing that they're pressed into a steel liner inside the tube.
Some time I intend to drop the rudder out and inspect the bearings and it doesn't look like it will be too difficult. Once the tiller arms are taken off the stock there is only a clamp round the stock at cockpit floor level holding the rudder. Remove this and the rudder should be free to drop out. No idea how the bearings are fixed in the tube though, I'm guessing that they're pressed into a steel liner inside the tube.
DJE
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P.S. Marvellous boat!
Bish
Member
Ok good Graham. I'll outline a few ideas here on the forum when I get to the planning stage, so you can make any suggestions then.
Are you still looking? Particularly for a Scanyacht?
Are you still looking? Particularly for a Scanyacht?
Bish
Member
Will do! When we go ahead with this purchase, we'll have a good bit of work to carry out before I can sail her back to Hobart. We made a low offer because she needs a full standing and running re-rig. In addition the electronics is really basic, just a sounder (working), wind/speed/direction (not working) and a vhf. I'll be installing a full package including AIS, radar, MF Plotter and autopilot. I'm waiting to see if the wind instruments are repairable, it might be a faulty connection or chaffed cable in the mast. We should be able to trouble shoot that properly when the mast is pulled to replace the standing rigging.
Bish
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Hi DJE, I came across your posts when I was first looking for info. Your first impressions report was very encouraging and helped me to "bite the bullet", so thanks!
Good to hear your description of the rudder setup, robust is just what I like to hear. Our boat was out of the water for an annual antifoul about the time our offer was accepted. The broker got his local yard shipwright to look at the rudder movement. His comment went something along the lines of "they have a bronze bearing tube encased in fiberglass, we usually shim/sleeve inside the tube once they're worn enough, but this one isn't worn enough yet to be able to do that". I've taken that with a grain of salt of course, but I'll try to track him down on Wednesday for a chat. Subsequently our surveyor inspected and noted the movement (reportedly 15-20mm at the bottom of the rudder), when questioned he recommended seeing how it behaved during the test sail, and if there's any vibration, expect to repair it in the short term. And if that is the case, we'll try to negotiate a bit more on the final price.
I've sent an email to Scanyacht in the hope of getting some tech drawings of the setup too.
Couple of questions if you have time:
- Is it a Whitlock pinion/rack steering system on these boats?
- Do you have an autopilot, if so, what type/brand?
- Have you had any issues with the deck organisers on the cabin top, ours are mostly jammed and there's evidence of some water intrusion into the cabin top too, so the sealing on them is gone
- Have you had any of your headliner off, just wondering how difficult that may be as it will need to be dropped to replace the turning blocks?
Good to hear your description of the rudder setup, robust is just what I like to hear. Our boat was out of the water for an annual antifoul about the time our offer was accepted. The broker got his local yard shipwright to look at the rudder movement. His comment went something along the lines of "they have a bronze bearing tube encased in fiberglass, we usually shim/sleeve inside the tube once they're worn enough, but this one isn't worn enough yet to be able to do that". I've taken that with a grain of salt of course, but I'll try to track him down on Wednesday for a chat. Subsequently our surveyor inspected and noted the movement (reportedly 15-20mm at the bottom of the rudder), when questioned he recommended seeing how it behaved during the test sail, and if there's any vibration, expect to repair it in the short term. And if that is the case, we'll try to negotiate a bit more on the final price.
I've sent an email to Scanyacht in the hope of getting some tech drawings of the setup too.
Couple of questions if you have time:
- Is it a Whitlock pinion/rack steering system on these boats?
- Do you have an autopilot, if so, what type/brand?
- Have you had any issues with the deck organisers on the cabin top, ours are mostly jammed and there's evidence of some water intrusion into the cabin top too, so the sealing on them is gone
- Have you had any of your headliner off, just wondering how difficult that may be as it will need to be dropped to replace the turning blocks?
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DJE
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If you get hold of any details of the construction of the boat, particularly the rudder bearings I would obviously be interested in a copy. Our boat is out of the water at the moment, I haven't noticed any movement in the rudder but I will have a closer look at it next time I'm down there. There is certainly no vibration from the rudder while sailing that we have noticed.
Our boat has Whitlock steering with a drag link from the arm at the base of the pedestal to a tiller arm on the rudder stock. The autopilot is part of the Navico Corus integrated instrument system installed by the original owner. The ram is a self-contained electro-hydraulic unit driving a second tiller arm to the rear of the rudder post. The fixed end is bolted down to the hull liner moulding in the port cockpit locker. Our boat has plywood panels in the cockpit lockers to stop the contents falling down and fouling the steering. Once you unbolt and remove these panels then access to the steering and autopilot ram is reasonably good. The Navico ram needs a lot of back-drive force when the autopilot is switched off so it acts as a sort of steering damper. When I replace the aging electronics I will be looking for a different type of ram to restore a bit more feel to the steering. The instrument displays are currenly in a pod on the steering pedestal and we find that to be entirely the wrong place. Only the helmsman can see them and only when standing on the centreline behind the wheel. We have a 1065mm diameter wheel and normally steer from the corner of the cockpit so we are looking at re-siting the displays when we replace the electronics. Several 391s have displays either side of the companionway. We are thinking two there and two on the sides of the pedestal facing the corners of the cockpit.
We have one jammed sheave on a deck organiser but that sheave is not in use at the moment. I haven't looked at removing the headliner yet but no obvious leaks from that area. We do get a bit of rainwater down the mast into the bilge but nothing serious given the deep bilge sump. There was one serious deck leak due to the main cabin deck hatch not being bedded properly. This caused some staining of the head liner and failure of one cabin light. We removed and re-bedded the hatch frame last winter, replaced the light and now everything seems fine in that department. Given the way our hatch had been installed I wouldn't be surprised if the deck organisers aren't perfectly bedded!
Good luck with the purchase and I hope you like the boat. Much smaller accomodation than a modern 39 footer but fast, comfortable and a joy to sail!
Our boat has Whitlock steering with a drag link from the arm at the base of the pedestal to a tiller arm on the rudder stock. The autopilot is part of the Navico Corus integrated instrument system installed by the original owner. The ram is a self-contained electro-hydraulic unit driving a second tiller arm to the rear of the rudder post. The fixed end is bolted down to the hull liner moulding in the port cockpit locker. Our boat has plywood panels in the cockpit lockers to stop the contents falling down and fouling the steering. Once you unbolt and remove these panels then access to the steering and autopilot ram is reasonably good. The Navico ram needs a lot of back-drive force when the autopilot is switched off so it acts as a sort of steering damper. When I replace the aging electronics I will be looking for a different type of ram to restore a bit more feel to the steering. The instrument displays are currenly in a pod on the steering pedestal and we find that to be entirely the wrong place. Only the helmsman can see them and only when standing on the centreline behind the wheel. We have a 1065mm diameter wheel and normally steer from the corner of the cockpit so we are looking at re-siting the displays when we replace the electronics. Several 391s have displays either side of the companionway. We are thinking two there and two on the sides of the pedestal facing the corners of the cockpit.
We have one jammed sheave on a deck organiser but that sheave is not in use at the moment. I haven't looked at removing the headliner yet but no obvious leaks from that area. We do get a bit of rainwater down the mast into the bilge but nothing serious given the deep bilge sump. There was one serious deck leak due to the main cabin deck hatch not being bedded properly. This caused some staining of the head liner and failure of one cabin light. We removed and re-bedded the hatch frame last winter, replaced the light and now everything seems fine in that department. Given the way our hatch had been installed I wouldn't be surprised if the deck organisers aren't perfectly bedded!
Good luck with the purchase and I hope you like the boat. Much smaller accomodation than a modern 39 footer but fast, comfortable and a joy to sail!
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Sticky Fingers
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Hi Bish, no I decided to buy new. Best of luck with yours!
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