Sailing to the Republic of Ireland from UK-rules and regulations??
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dgadee
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It's ok to call it Eire if the word appears in a sentence written or spoken in Gaelic.
True. As Wikipedia points out: "Article 4 of the Irish constitution adopted in 1937 by the government under Éamon de Valera states "Éire is the name of the state, or in the English language, Ireland""
Not many Gaelic speakers, though, even in Ireland. Or here, I presume.
oldmanofthehills
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About 40% in Ireland can speak gaelic which is better than the 30% who can speak welsh, or the 0.5% who can speak cornish. (wiki unclear on relative skill levels).
My friends from Belfast used to use the term Eire for the southern part, but I do understand that in the south some are keen to indicate the unjust split of the land and thus both parts are "Ireland". I have no dog in this particular fight.
dgadee
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They - the general population of Ireland - can speak Gaelic as well as I can speak German. Not very well. A constant complaint from the Gaeltacht has concerned that.
No dogs in the fight. In English it is "Ireland". A relatively simple concept.
Kelpie
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But it can provide clarity in some situations to use either RoI or Eire to denote the country rather than the island.
dgadee
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How?
oldmanofthehills
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There is no actual rule as such that binds an english speaker and clearly my Belfast friends were english speakers.
If I am going to visit exwife relatives I will say I am going to Torino, and I will use any number of descriptions for the low lands across the north sea. The BBC has taken to using the Ukrainian spelling of their capitals name. As for the sea between Britain and Ireland, well that has 3 different names.
There is preference and that is a different matter, perhaps cultural not linguistic
dgadee
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You are correct. Relativism is a fact of life. But I spent 40 years in Belfast and never heard Eire used. Good luck with using it.
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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Thank you all for the replies.
steveinnice
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And there is no such place as "Southern Ireland", only Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland or "Ireland" for short.
dgadee
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And there is no such place as "Southern Ireland", only Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland or "Ireland" for short.
There is 'the south' and there is 'the north'. Part of the south is in the north.
steveinnice
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That's correct , but nobody residing in The South calls The South "Southern Ireland"
Seven Spades
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My understanding is there is Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland. Never call it Southern Ireland.
dgadee
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'Southern Ireland' is geographical. 'The south' is political. No one on the 'Island of Ireland' (a political and geographical term) would usually talk about 'Southern Ireland' unless they were, e.g., geologists.
Daydream believer
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Who decides if the information in Wikipedia is actually correct? I used to believe that in the beginning one was just invited to post some information on the site & that was it. Is that still the situation or is there some authority that now decides that it is correct or not?
dgadee
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It is a group project so decisions are collective.
Who decided what was correct with the Encyclopedia Brittannica?
Edit: Oops. Too many T's there. Should have looked up Wikipedia for the spelling.
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Daydream believer
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So some of it could have been the govt SAGE group then?
That gives me confidence
Wonder if they had a few bevvies to celebrate an entry
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Daydream believer
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I do not know, but as time has moved on, I bet a few things have been proven wrong since entered.
dunedin
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But unlike your 1976 edition of Britannia, Wikipedia is updated regularly as more information becomes available and knowledge improves. For example, when a notable person dies, the Wikipedia entry is typically already updated (with a caveat about more info to follow) when you first look at it, just after the death has just been announced on the mainstream media
Daydream believer
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Bit worrying for a lord if he just happens to look up the entry for his name.
Come to that I heard that you were looking a bit rough lately
Still, checking Wikipedia will save you asking the Doc what the chances are
