Sailing boats - what have I missed?

[MickJ]

Is it just me, or do new 30 something foot sailing boats seem to be fairly good value, whereas 30 something foot motor boats seem extraordinarily expensive? Granted, MB's have big engines, but SB's have big poles, lots of string and colourful flappy bits which cant be cheap...

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[tcm]

There are enough manufacturers so that if they could make 30 foot powerboats dead dead cheap - somebody would. And i think some manufactuers are already pushing how far they can "value-engineer" a mobo - often it's the yanks as they did/do with cars. I belive (but have no real data) that it would be more expensive at cost to make a 30-40 knot capable mobo than it is a sailyboat capable of displacement speeds. So mobos of same size will always be more expensive. imho.



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[hlb]

Yes it's true, but SB only have a stick for the rudder, only about 6ft wide instead of 12ft. Have no cushions, dont think they have a shower or a bog, cos there always walking down the pontoon in the middle of the night with towels round there necks. Theyve no window wipers cos no roof either. No fly bridge. No trim tabs. Supose you get what you pay for!!

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Haydn

 

[BoatlessinOslo]

I don't know much about the extras lists for mobos but when it comes to sailyboats they are usually priced with minimum equipment, on some eg Hanse, the sails & even winches are not included in the price never mind log, depth etc.

By the time you have added necessary and optional equipment and (extra) sails the price you pay can be up to 30-50% more than the "list" price without the gold plated rocker boxes

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[MickJ]

Just looked at some saily mag testing a 35ft LOA / 11.5ft beam boat, with nice fit out, fore and aft cabins, lots of lectrics (plotter/radar) etc where the same (French) manufacturer makes a not so exciting 27ft semi-displacement single engined sports fisher for the same money!

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[nicho]

There does seem to be an anomoly. Last year I sold an S37 - the latest offering from Sealine, the S38, albeit with two big engines costs around £200K. I bought a brand new 37' sailing boat earlier this year, with good electronics (colour radar/plotter etc), Eberspacher, hot water, showers etc etc (in all £20K's worth of extras) and it cost me a bit under £75K. OK, so it has a puny 29hp engine, and only does 6/7 knots (but the peace is wonderful), but it is 1/3 of the cost of the equivalent size motorboat when both are new.

What I don't understand is the cost of a 29 foot Sea saga with only one (albeit 240hp engine), the basic boat being £100K. Can't see that being good value somehow, no matter how good the Scandinavian quality.

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[SlowlyButSurely]

The difference is surely in the marketing costs and profit margin. For example compare the Bavaria and Sunseeker stands at SBS.

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[qsiv]

.. and of course your 29hp engine costs rather less to service than 2*200's. In some senses fuel comparisons are a red herring as you will need new sails periodically, but I suspect you could buy a lot of sails for the fuel bill of an S38.

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[cliffdale]

It might just be me, but 30 feet motor boats always seem smaller than 30 sailing boats. My sailing boat has a double aft back cabin and separate forward cabin. The 30 motor boats i've seen seem to be open plan arrangements. Not so good for small families.

Any 33'LOA 3 cabin boats out their, let me know, Im seriously interested in buying one.

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[MainlySteam]

Maybe it is just because it is two different markets, power and sail, and those buying motor boats are just prepared to pay more and the builders are happy to take their money.

I do not have much idea of the cost of pleasure boat engines but for commercially rated diesel engines one can get an about 500 kW one, without gearbox, for probably less cost than a good quality rig and deck hardware, plus auxiliary engine for a 40 odd foot yacht. With gearbox, maybe about the same. One would want two engines of course and I would assume that 2 250kW ones would be dearer than a single 500 kW (250 kW is smaller than I have much contact with, so only guessing on cost for those). If the hull and interior fitout costs are assumed to be the same quality then it seems hard to imagine a big building cost difference between power boats and sailing yachts - so maybe the difference is mainly just in the profit?

John

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[BoatlessinOslo]

Hi Nicho,

Does a 37' Bav have equivalent accomodation to an S37?

If not what size sailing boat would be required to provide similar accomodation?

What extras were on the S37 which are not on your Bav?

Is the quality of Bav and Sealine the same?

What are the weights of each (and also what does the Bav keel weight)?

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