Sailing around the world on a budget

[Roberto]

Not as cold as further south.

OT - personal
I have never been to Chile but it brings past memories. In the early '70s the chilean music band Inti Illimani went on tour in Europe bringing the Nueva Cancion Chilena sound, Allende presidency, rosy future/lendemains qui chantent, Violeta Parra, Cantos de pueblos andinos, etc.
Comes '73 Pinochet coup, the group remained in exile in Italy for years, then period of political ferment/turmoil, people in the streets sang Venceremos or El Pueblo Unido Jamas Sera Vencido' , learning Chilean geography through their songs: Chiloe island and political prisoners, Chacabuco, Antofagasta copper mines, Coquimbo... places difficult to find on then school world atlas. One of their songs was ''Ciudad Ho-Chi-Minh'', took a while to find that in the atlas

 

[Frank Holden]

OT - personal
I have never been to Chile but it brings past memories. In the early '70s the chilean music band Inti Illimani went on tour in Europe bringing the Nueva Cancion Chilena sound, Allende presidency, rosy future/lendemains qui chantent, Violeta Parra, Cantos de pueblos andinos, etc.
Comes '73 Pinochet coup, the group remained in exile in Italy for years, then period of political ferment/turmoil, people in the streets sang Venceremos or El Pueblo Unido Jamas Sera Vencido' , learning Chilean geography through their songs: Chiloe island and political prisoners, Chacabuco, Antofagasta copper mines, Coquimbo... places difficult to find on then school world atlas. One of their songs was ''Ciudad Ho-Chi-Minh'', took a while to find that in the atlas

Something I found in Valpo which you may find interesting - see the pic below - its in the port at Valpo. Worth doing a bit of research on. Pablo's house is just south of Algarrobo.

Ah - Chilean politics -sigh

We left the boat in Ecuador for a few months in late 2019 - November.
We had a few weeks to kill before flying out of Stiago. Thought of going to Bolivia for a spell but a bit of unrest there so decided to go by bus back to Pto Montt. Simple plan. Lima - Arica - Iquique - La Serana - Santiago- what could go wrong?
A few days in Iquique next to the Plaza de Armas - gun shots and stuff through the night.
La Serena ? A few more days there
Serene enough - taxi driver to the bus depot - "where are you going?' 'Santiago'. 'Good luck with that!!'
Santiago - bus doesn't go to the terminal - drops us off at a very dark hour up some back street. we get a taxi thinking that we will get accomodation at an airport hotel. No joy but we did find a bed in the Hilton at the far side of town in Providencia.
Get a hire car / limo sort of thing who takes the great circle route to avoid the riots in the centre
Suggest to him that maybe tourism is dead at the moment.
'Yup' he sez ' dead as '; then he pauses ' Nope that's not quite right - I did pick up two crazy gringos this evening'.
I love the cruising lifestyle
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[BobnLesley]

Yup, Covid was a bitch. Pretty much everything stopped for me except the ageing process.
All I've managed to do since is get the boat back from Ecuador to Chile.
Still trying to get the wheels turning properly again.

Kiwiland was probably a much better place to get stuck than Ecuador.
We took the realistic/pragmatic approach and within a couple of months of having been locked out of NZ (We were sat in Gatwick Airport waiting for our flight to Auckland when their doors closed) we'd managed to remotely import and sell the boat to a local.
Yes, the price was low, but that 'discount' was far less than the cost of two year's (our guess had been 'it'll be at least a year before we get back to her) storage, insurance and deterioration; plus it gave us one (major) thing less to worry about.

 

[Frank Holden]

Kiwiland was probably a much better place to get stuck than Ecuador.
We took the realistic/pragmatic approach and within a couple of months of having been locked out of NZ (We were sat in Gatwick Airport waiting for our flight to Auckland when their doors closed) we'd managed to remotely import and sell the boat to a local.
Yes, the price was low, but that 'discount' was far less than the cost of two year's (our guess had been 'it'll be at least a year before we get back to her) storage, insurance and deterioration; plus it gave us one (major) thing less to worry about.

Oh I don't know. Ecuador was OK. I didn't see the boat for over two years but she was in good enough shape when I got back. Only took a year to get back on the dustless road again. Spent some of that time in the interior, lovely place, nothing like what I expected.

You were lucky to have your boat in NZ. Met a couple from Mexico Norte a few months ago. They had been caught in the US with their boat in Australia. Treated incredibly badly by 'Border Farce'.

 

[Wansworth]

Oh I don't know. Ecuador was OK. I didn't see the boat for over two years but she was in good enough shape when I got back. Only took a year to get back on the dustless road again. Spent some of that time in the interior, lovely place, nothing like what I expected.

You were lucky to have your boat in NZ. Met a couple from Mexico Norte a few months ago. They had been caught in the US with their boat in Australia. Treated incredibly badly by 'Border Farce'.

It comes from the top down!

 

[pcatterall]

Oh I wish - you would not see me for dust - or a curling wake. Last Monday was our monthly "crusties" lunch at the club and I dubbed our table the senior common room - almost all retired teachers or academics bemoaning the state of the world and particularly education. From the comfortable positions of mortgage free homes and inflation linked pensions.

Not that I am complaining as I have filled my life with many good things and now living far beyond my sell by date. However I feel more at ease with my grand daughter's peers going through their university experience.

If I want to escape reality I can always sit in the cockpit of my GH and imagine creaming down the trade winds at 6 knots with the rudder humming away to keep me company.

I'm trying to find the thread where you listed some of the things to look for on a Golden Hind! My wife and I may give up to the idea of forming a syndicate and return to outright ownership of our own yacht in Spain. We were attracted to a Golden Hind 31 A good old fashioned craft that I would enjoy working on in my dotage ( Im 84 !) We had an Atlanta of similar vintage in the UK GRP hull, ply/teak decks etc so am familiar with the general issues. Your thread had some advice about the various joints where we should inspect carefully. Grateful for a pointer as to where I can find that thread!

 

[Cerebus]

Lin and Larry Pardey coined the phrase, "Go small, go simple, but go now". They have inspired and encouraged many others to set sail despite limited incomes. What would you consider to be the minimum budget to go on a sailing adventure around the world? And if you were going to do it with limited funds, what kind of yacht would you choose?

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Large question……. many answers……. think Shane Acton…… he is in Wikipedia.
Ed….. Notice that others have mentioned him.

 

[Tranona]

I'm trying to find the thread where you listed some of the things to look for on a Golden Hind! My wife and I may give up to the idea of forming a syndicate and return to outright ownership of our own yacht in Spain. We were attracted to a Golden Hind 31 A good old fashioned craft that I would enjoy working on in my dotage ( Im 84 !) We had an Atlanta of similar vintage in the UK GRP hull, ply/teak decks etc so am familiar with the general issues. Your thread had some advice about the various joints where we should inspect carefully. Grateful for a pointer as to where I can find that thread!

There are essentially 4 iterations of the GH. The first were all wood of 28 and 31' built by Hartwells. Not many still around and to be avoided. Next was the all wood built by Terry Erskine up to about 1978 Hulls are generally sound although boats that dry out regularly can have problems with bilge keels. Big weak points are the aft bulkhead and cockpit which is all wood except for the last few which had GRP cockpits and aft deck. Wooden decks and coachroofs suffer if the sheathing breaks down and water gets into the beamshelt or anywhere on the coachroof. Most of these had SABB or LIster engines, but many have been replaced, often not very well!. Third and arguably the "best" are the last of the Erskine boats 1978-82 with a GRP hull and cockpit. Mine is like that, but still suffers from water getting into the aft bulkhead where the GRP meets the wood coachroof. Still dealing with that plus replacing part of the foredeck where water got in through a poorly sealed stanchion and under the bowsprit plus the top RH corner of the coachroof where the sheathing had failed..

The original Lister on mine had been replaced with a rather oddball 3cyl Perkins which I have replaced with a proper Beta 30 and feathering propeller. Also fitted a bow thruster and converted to twin headsail rig. Fully rewired and refreshed the interior. Spent far too much but it is now pretty much up to date and as good as a GH can be without going to one of the last iteration of boats built from bare hulls left over when Terry stopped or the 5 built by Mark Urry.

There are a few that have washed up in Spain, but all I have seen have been messed about with and not worth buying. Totally unsuitable boat for there anyway. They make good garden sheds with the odd trip out in the UK, but you could not take a good one to Spain for all the reasons you know about. There are a few people still using them for proper cruising but they are retiring as they get older. Couple like that for sale at the moment, one in the IOW and one in Scotland. Also one of the better original Erskine wooden ones is owned by a fellow club member and he could easily be persuaded to part with it for not a lot of money.

Like many old boats with a "reputation" they acquired that in an era when there was not much competition and as soon as other designs came on that were better built, more roomy and comfortable sailed better and were much cheaper demand disappeared. They were at their best slowly crossing oceans with a couple of hardy adventurers, but in day to day domestic use they are slow unless you increase sail area as I have done and cumbersome to manoeuvre. Mine comes alive with over 15 knots of wind on the beam just as described, but on a mixed passage lucky to average much over 5 knots.

I have loads of photos of before and after which I can let you have if you go any further.

 

[pcatterall]

There are essentially 4 iterations of the GH. The first were all wood of 28 and 31' built by Hartwells. Not many still around and to be avoided. Next was the all wood built by Terry Erskine up to about 1978 Hulls are generally sound although boats that dry out regularly can have problems with bilge keels. Big weak points are the aft bulkhead and cockpit which is all wood except for the last few which had GRP cockpits and aft deck. Wooden decks and coachroofs suffer if the sheathing breaks down and water gets into the beamshelt or anywhere on the coachroof. Most of these had SABB or LIster engines, but many have been replaced, often not very well!. Third and arguably the "best" are the last of the Erskine boats 1978-82 with a GRP hull and cockpit. Mine is like that, but still suffers from water getting into the aft bulkhead where the GRP meets the wood coachroof. Still dealing with that plus replacing part of the foredeck where water got in through a poorly sealed stanchion and under the bowsprit plus the top RH corner of the coachroof where the sheathing had failed..

The original Lister on mine had been replaced with a rather oddball 3cyl Perkins which I have replaced with a proper Beta 30 and feathering propeller. Also fitted a bow thruster and converted to twin headsail rig. Fully rewired and refreshed the interior. Spent far too much but it is now pretty much up to date and as good as a GH can be without going to one of the last iteration of boats built from bare hulls left over when Terry stopped or the 5 built by Mark Urry.

There are a few that have washed up in Spain, but all I have seen have been messed about with and not worth buying. Totally unsuitable boat for there anyway. They make good garden sheds with the odd trip out in the UK, but you could not take a good one to Spain for all the reasons you know about. There are a few people still using them for proper cruising but they are retiring as they get older. Couple like that for sale at the moment, one in the IOW and one in Scotland. Also one of the better original Erskine wooden ones is owned by a fellow club member and he could easily be persuaded to part with it for not a lot of money.

Like many old boats with a "reputation" they acquired that in an era when there was not much competition and as soon as other designs came on that were better built, more roomy and comfortable sailed better and were much cheaper demand disappeared. They were at their best slowly crossing oceans with a couple of hardy adventurers, but in day to day domestic use they are slow unless you increase sail area as I have done and cumbersome to manoeuvre. Mine comes alive with over 15 knots of wind on the beam just as described, but on a mixed passage lucky to average much over 5 knots.

I have loads of photos of before and after which I can let you have if you go any further.

Very informative and helpful,! thanks.

 

[Blueboatman]

May I just add that I was lucky enough to day sail a few times on a GH31 with grp hull and beautiful comfortable cosy interior @ the end of the day.

But what astounded me was that it is the only sailing boat I have ever sailed on ( and I have sailed 50 different types over the years on last recall ), you could literally let go of the tiller and the Golden Hind would steer a straight course under sail!

A wonderful sea kindly trait that I would have given my hind teeth for ( Hind eh) in the past at times.

Maurice Griffith’s designer pen, aided by perhaps some modern sail material, modern diesels and modern paints and epoxy barrier coatings, has a remarkable enduring and easy-on-the-eye legacy.

 

[Wansworth]

Now and again it come upon me to sketch the lines of my idea yacht invariably it now includes a wheelhouse lots of beam and a loa of 30 foot.It would be a sailing boat with an auxiliary engine easy to maintain probably a cutter with room on deck for a 7 foot hard dinghy.Recent experience would dictate low freeboard to improve boarding from a marina berth ……….probablt a cross between an Albin Vega,Vancouver and freeward 30 ,the original fisher design

 

[Blueboatman]

Now and again it come upon me to sketch the lines of my idea yacht invariably it now includes a wheelhouse lots of beam and a loa of 30 foot.It would be a sailing boat with an auxiliary engine easy to maintain probably a cutter with room on deck for a 7 foot hard dinghy.Recent experience would dictate low freeboard to improve boarding from a marina berth ……….probablt a cross between an Albin Vega,Vancouver and freeward 30 ,the original fisher design

Would Sir be calling this design the N+1?

I believe that you already have a yacht of course

If it were not for the lack of moorings at surprisingly reasonable cost and availability I know exactly how long my next theoretical boat would be!

 

[Wansworth]

Would Sir be calling this design the N+1?

I believe that you already have a yacht of course

If it were not for the lack of moorings at surprisingly reasonable cost and availability I know exactly how long my next theoretical boat would be!

What’s N + 1……….Yes and it doesn’t resemble in anyway my sketch,such is life

 

[Blueboatman]

What’s N + 1……….Yes and it doesn’t resemble in anyway my sketch,such is life

Sorry, it’s the notion that 1 of something ( anything) is never quite enough.
Hence +1

 

[newtothis]

Sorry, it’s the notion that 1 of something ( anything) is never quite enough.
Hence +1

Where N = the number of boats you currently own, the correct number of boats to own is N+1.
Where N = the point where you wife leaves you, the correct number of boats to own is N-1.