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Again, other threads became swamped.
I hadn't really thought about this. I'm sure others have picked up something too.
I am always keen to show people around the boat. Swmbo imagines that i am a complete showoff. And I am, at least a bit. This button does this and that does that. Wow.
But I am also keen for others, especially slightly or very tech types, to poke about and chip in. They can have the run of the boat and i'll get the tools no problem, if they want.
For example, B1 came on our boat and in the course of a good root around the engineroom asked how long since we had looked at the primary water filters, with no glass on the top of them. So I/we tookem off. He was right that he didn't "tell" me to takem off (it was quite tough to replace them, and they were clean) but it was a handy prompt.
Lots of other examples, roles reversed. Even just last Saturday, c-j invited me on his boat, and didn't lose the opportunity to let me yak away, and he checked who I thought was good with these boats and that it concurred with his own thoughts (it did). It's his boat, his decision on everything of course. But given the opportunity to extract any useful info from an ex-owner of a similar boat, he took it. Some people feel uncomfortable exposing their lack of knowledge by asking others abouttheir own boat ("shouldn't i know this?) but of course it's much wiser to ask as much as possible if you aren't sure.
It is comforting to think that there is a set of people who are destined to have a disaster at sea. A handy bunch of boating berks who are shortening our odds of a problem ourselves. But I truly believe that most boating accidents are NOT experienced by people who say "Safety? nah, I don't give a monkeys about that, just leap in with no charts or anything and away we go!" But big accidents are much more likely to be experienced by people who didn't feel that -almost always- there's something else they can do to improve saftey, before going to sea or whilst there.
IMHO, anyone who drives a car or a boat in a manner which makes others feel uncomfortble is a lousy skipper. If they drive fast, and then someone says "this is a bit too fast for me, i feel worried" then they are a rubbish skipper if they don't slow down, or even turn back. If the crew are novice, a lousy skipper will insist on going out in rubbish weather. If the crew have more expertise, a lousy skipper will make it clear that advice is unwelcome, that everything is quite under control. I've got qualifications. Are you implying that I don't know what I'm doing? yes - if you ignore the sensible advice and inpuit of others.
This is of course triggered by one person, namely happy. One might think that he would be getting a persecution complex. But I think not. It seems entirely natural or even exhilarting for him to be alone in dismissing the advice of others. He may be a lost cause, but he may also be Lucky as well as Happy.
However, if just one person raised the issue of overloading (or any other aspect) never mind a dozen or more - then depite my many faults, i am pretty sure I'd do something about it. As would most others hereabouts.
I believe that one's attitude is a primary key to safety. "What can I learn from someone else's experience, knowledge, wisdom, or foulups?" If a skipper can adopt this attitude then they continually update and improve their safety. They know that safety doesn't start nor stop at the door of the chandlery.
It is Happy's selective dismissal of advice, his more-than-occasional failure to read between the lines when someone raises an issue and say "so are you concerned that i should perhaps...?" that is of most concern.
It is not merely the fact that his boat at the moment is at or approaching overloaded condition: it the fact that there'll be other boats and other potential problems, perhaps even more serious. He is not the only person I have met like this. I don't sit in those people's cars, nor go on their boats, even though they are nice and otherwise intelligent people.
all imho, with good intentions etc. etc.
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I hadn't really thought about this. I'm sure others have picked up something too.
I am always keen to show people around the boat. Swmbo imagines that i am a complete showoff. And I am, at least a bit. This button does this and that does that. Wow.
But I am also keen for others, especially slightly or very tech types, to poke about and chip in. They can have the run of the boat and i'll get the tools no problem, if they want.
For example, B1 came on our boat and in the course of a good root around the engineroom asked how long since we had looked at the primary water filters, with no glass on the top of them. So I/we tookem off. He was right that he didn't "tell" me to takem off (it was quite tough to replace them, and they were clean) but it was a handy prompt.
Lots of other examples, roles reversed. Even just last Saturday, c-j invited me on his boat, and didn't lose the opportunity to let me yak away, and he checked who I thought was good with these boats and that it concurred with his own thoughts (it did). It's his boat, his decision on everything of course. But given the opportunity to extract any useful info from an ex-owner of a similar boat, he took it. Some people feel uncomfortable exposing their lack of knowledge by asking others abouttheir own boat ("shouldn't i know this?) but of course it's much wiser to ask as much as possible if you aren't sure.
It is comforting to think that there is a set of people who are destined to have a disaster at sea. A handy bunch of boating berks who are shortening our odds of a problem ourselves. But I truly believe that most boating accidents are NOT experienced by people who say "Safety? nah, I don't give a monkeys about that, just leap in with no charts or anything and away we go!" But big accidents are much more likely to be experienced by people who didn't feel that -almost always- there's something else they can do to improve saftey, before going to sea or whilst there.
IMHO, anyone who drives a car or a boat in a manner which makes others feel uncomfortble is a lousy skipper. If they drive fast, and then someone says "this is a bit too fast for me, i feel worried" then they are a rubbish skipper if they don't slow down, or even turn back. If the crew are novice, a lousy skipper will insist on going out in rubbish weather. If the crew have more expertise, a lousy skipper will make it clear that advice is unwelcome, that everything is quite under control. I've got qualifications. Are you implying that I don't know what I'm doing? yes - if you ignore the sensible advice and inpuit of others.
This is of course triggered by one person, namely happy. One might think that he would be getting a persecution complex. But I think not. It seems entirely natural or even exhilarting for him to be alone in dismissing the advice of others. He may be a lost cause, but he may also be Lucky as well as Happy.
However, if just one person raised the issue of overloading (or any other aspect) never mind a dozen or more - then depite my many faults, i am pretty sure I'd do something about it. As would most others hereabouts.
I believe that one's attitude is a primary key to safety. "What can I learn from someone else's experience, knowledge, wisdom, or foulups?" If a skipper can adopt this attitude then they continually update and improve their safety. They know that safety doesn't start nor stop at the door of the chandlery.
It is Happy's selective dismissal of advice, his more-than-occasional failure to read between the lines when someone raises an issue and say "so are you concerned that i should perhaps...?" that is of most concern.
It is not merely the fact that his boat at the moment is at or approaching overloaded condition: it the fact that there'll be other boats and other potential problems, perhaps even more serious. He is not the only person I have met like this. I don't sit in those people's cars, nor go on their boats, even though they are nice and otherwise intelligent people.
all imho, with good intentions etc. etc.
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