RYA Training Centres

[Skylark]

Prime mover for seeking the sun for me. A couple of winters teaching there was.....interesting, but involved not only being cold and wet, but shedding skin off my hands weekly. ?

Wimp ?

A pal of mine is still active and I take my hat off to him. Must be made of steel, that or simply bonkers.?

 

[Sandy]

I believe they can still run some training courses. Comp crew, Dayskipper and PB2 however any course that requires you to stay on board for the duration such as Coastal Skipper and Yachtmaster can not be taught at the moment. Though how 5/6 people sleeping on board is any higher risk than sharing the close quarters of a cockpit Im not really sure.

Things must have changed since I did my Day Skipper when we spent five nights aboard.

 

[Skylark]

Things must have changed since I did my Day Skipper when we spent five nights aboard.

Things change. The RYA has to evolve and adapt to ever-changing demographics.

IIRC, the RYA posed the question to its instructors a couple of years ago as to whether it's requirement for staying on board was still valid. I don't think that a formal decision has yet been made. Worth taking a look on their website.

As part of the CV measures risk assessment, schools have been given (temporary?) dispensation to day-sail. It depends upon the number/family groups on board. Generally, if it's day sailing, the instructor will sleep elsewhere, not on the same boat as the students.

 

[lustyd]

Under covid regulations, all public transport including passenger vessels require all to have face coverings. The one's at Haslar didn't.

Do you mean the ferry? Training yachts aren’t public transport or passenger vessels. Besides which, why are you so determined for them not to run courses? We’re talking about tiny groups of people in complete isolation for a week. That’s literally the goal here.

 

[johndove]

Do you mean the ferry? Training yachts aren’t public transport or passenger vessels. Besides which, why are you so determined for them not to run courses? We’re talking about tiny groups of people in complete isolation for a week. That’s literally the goal here.

You'll be saying Queen Mary isn't public transport so therefore outside the regulations or shops are privately owned so don't need face coverings. Sorry. On any vessel taking payment of customers is under the regulations. Hence why school yachts are coded as used commercially as take fare paying passengers. Face covering is required.

 

[lustyd]

Queen Mary is a passenger vessel, an RYA training yacht is a completely different thing! Trainees are not "fare paying passengers" they are training and taking an active role in the movement of the boat. A role which is physical in nature, making masks difficult to manage. It's clearly a risk that the schools and trainees have assessed and accepted prior to the course and frankly it's not something that concerns you, sitting on the shore watching them from afar - you are at a safe distance and they are comfortable with the negligable risks involved.

 

[Tomahawk]

Friend just did a daized kipper practical... They left the boat at night in a marina and went home then had to be back early..

 

[Sandy]

Things change. The RYA has to evolve and adapt to ever-changing demographics.

Thanks for the update.

 

[johndove]

Queen Mary is a passenger vessel, an RYA training yacht is a completely different thing! Trainees are not "fare paying passengers" they are training and taking an active role in the movement of the boat. A role which is physical in nature, making masks difficult to manage. It's clearly a risk that the schools and trainees have assessed and accepted prior to the course and frankly it's not something that concerns you, sitting on the shore watching them from afar - you are at a safe distance and they are comfortable with the negligable risks involved.

As long as students pay they're fare paying passengers. Agree different to ships. But same rules. Either commercial or pleasure. Nothing in between. So as long as paying for courses commercial. You check the regulations and post an link saying otherwise.

 

[lustyd]

Not being mentioned in a regulation just means the regulation doesn't apply, it doesn't mean that those are the only categories that exist. As such it's not possible to post something to the contrary since it doesn't exist and doesn't need to exist. I also couldn't post the regulation which says it's fine for me to eat an apple in an enclosed public place, despite the existance of laws which say I can't smoke in that location.

 

[Sharky34]

If it's safe enough to keep parliament open and full of MPs then it's safe enough for yacht training. There is zero reason MPs need to be in the House to discuss and debate then vote. If ever there was a job suited to remote working that's it. This leaves me with zero respect for their policies and recommendations, if they want the country to play ball they need to do better.

Do MP's share a forepeak then?

 

[Sharky34]

I passed both the UKSA boats yesterday in the approaches to Portsmouth harbour, the main thing that stood out was the second one hadn't grasped that staying in the middle of the channel when entering against the spring ebb was never going to be fast.

Part of their training.

 

[Sharky34]

Things change. The RYA has to evolve and adapt to ever-changing demographics.

IIRC, the RYA posed the question to its instructors a couple of years ago as to whether it's requirement for staying on board was still valid. I don't think that a formal decision has yet been made. Worth taking a look on their website.

As part of the CV measures risk assessment, schools have been given (temporary?) dispensation to day-sail. It depends upon the number/family groups on board. Generally, if it's day sailing, the instructor will sleep elsewhere, not on the same boat as the students.

The instructor, is responsible for the safety of his students, not sure the students are allowed onboard at night without a responsible adult, so doubt an instructor can sleep offboat. It has been known, for instructors to share a sleeping bag with a student, purely as a training exercise to simulate what to do should some crewperson suffer hypothermia of course.

 

[Skylark]

The instructor, is responsible for the safety of his students, not sure the students are allowed onboard at night without a responsible adult, so doubt an instructor can sleep offboat.

Can’t students be over the age of 18? I was talking about recreational courses and I know for a fact, none of your “doubt”, that instructors have been commonly sleeping aboard a separate boat, leaving the students alone in their coronavirus group. Depends upon the make-up of the students with regard to the school CV SOPs.

 

[lustyd]

Do MP's share a forepeak then?

No, but for some reason they think their place of work is special and immune to pandemics, and they think they are special enough that they can't work from home despite their job being 100% speaking, listening and voting. It has obviously bitten them this week though with BoJo being put into isolation and unable to attend parliament in person, so Karma seems to be working well enough still.

 

[Sharky34]

Can’t students be over the age of 18? I was talking about recreational courses and I know for a fact, none of your “doubt”, that instructors have been commonly sleeping aboard a separate boat, leaving the students alone in their coronavirus group. Depends upon the make-up of the students with regard to the school CV SOPs.

Even over 18, it ain't their boat, so someone (instructor) is responsible for it at all times, just in case anything happens to it, or the students.

 

[Skylark]

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[Mark-1]

Even over 18, it ain't their boat, so someone (instructor) is responsible for it at all times, just in case anything happens to it, or the students.

There's no requirement for *anyone* to be on board a moored boat at all AFAIK.

 

[Mudisox]

££££££££££s apply

 

[Sharky34]

There's no requirement for *anyone* to be on board a moored boat at all AFAIK.

Its not an RYA requirement, but no sea school would be happy if an instructor left students onboard over night unsupervised, even if they are over 18.