Skylark
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Are you an active instructor who has delivered courses within the environment of this CV pandemic or are you just making this up?
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Sharky34
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Why, should I make things up?
Not leaving students unattended, has always been the norm.
Skylark
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You may have noticed but nothing has been "normal" since CV arrived.
So, do you have current, relevant experience of delivering courses during the pandemic, or not?
Mark-1
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So instructors never go ashore for a shower.... That's before we consider that many people have instruction on their own boat
Sharky34
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There's a vast difference between "go ashore for a shower" & staying away from the boat all night.
I well remember students being shown the red (fuel) cap & the blue (water) cap, then still being stupid enough to fill the fuel tank with fresh water! "The water tank didn't take long to fill, but this red stuff came out of those vents"
explaination. Not all are endowed with common sense or intelligence, some are on a weekend jolly by default, because the paintball session was full.
Kwik Decision
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I am an instructor, and did teach a few courses in September and October. The school expected me to get off the boat each evening, and go home (or in practice back to our boat for the night, as it's closer). I made sure that the yacht was securely moored, and it wasn't a problem. I did include water and fuel fillers in the day one briefing though...
Sharky34
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Were the students left onboard?
Kwik Decision
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Yes, they were family groups in all cases, and slept on board for the duration of the course.
NotBirdseye
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So... you go home mix with other people... come back to the boat the next day and violate the bubble. ...the people wonder why I'm not a fan of the RYA....
Uricanejack
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Presumably any schools operating are doing so according to current requirements.
It’s kind of tough to say don’t operate. No doubt business has been affected.
After the official requirements, you still have your own personal right to choose if you find the requirements acceptable or not.
My personal choice wouldn’t involve joining 5 or 6 strangers who’s personal habits are a mystery to me on a small yacht. The risk for me are not acceptable.
if you or the schools customers find them acceptable, your choice.
my observation is things seam to be as bad as ever. If not worse.
even so once you are all in the same boat. What’s the point in going home at night?
It’s kind of tough to say don’t operate. No doubt business has been affected.
After the official requirements, you still have your own personal right to choose if you find the requirements acceptable or not.
My personal choice wouldn’t involve joining 5 or 6 strangers who’s personal habits are a mystery to me on a small yacht. The risk for me are not acceptable.
if you or the schools customers find them acceptable, your choice.
my observation is things seam to be as bad as ever. If not worse.
even so once you are all in the same boat. What’s the point in going home at night?
Skylark
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Why do posters continue to “guess” the most recent guidelines (recreational courses currently on lockdown) and the proceed to make disparaging comments about their completely wrong assumptions ?
Under the guidelines, there would not be 5-6 strangers on board.
Under the guidelines, there would not be 5-6 strangers on board.
capnsensible
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Not understanding how a pro organisation works with critical guidelines to be observed and regular re certification of instructors and recognised training centres is not your unique skill. Lots of others suffer from the same misconceptions.....
Kwik Decision
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After days spent sailing and instructing, working through Comp Crew and Day Skipper syllabuses, there is precious little time to mix with other people in what's left of the evenings. I was generally on my own, and the most people I ever mixed with was my wife.
I should also point out that the school I was working for stopped all courses when lockdown 2 came in.
NotBirdseye
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Exactly and during that time you have no idea who your wife has been mixing with. Stopping all course was probably the wiser thing to do, but once a course has started everyone should remain together for the duration of the course, because that's a new bubble, particularly on something as small as a sailing yacht. Land based courses get a bit of a freebie because in theory the teachers can maintain a distance of 2m at all times (insufficient sure, but that's the rule)... in practice that never works out... hence huge rise in COVID-19.
@capnsensible as for not understanding how a pro organization works with critical guidelines.... I have a firmer grasp of how this needs to be than you might think. No misconception here RYA are just being RYA.
NotBirdseye
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Just 1 stranger (instructor) and 5 family members. That's really all it takes to spread a virus.
I'm just hoping the sailing schools test for symptoms (temp check) before the course starts.
Astraeus
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The mischief of Luminescent's argument is that its logical extension is that nobody can see anybody ever, full stop. If a man can't see his wife after he gets back from work for fear that she may have seen someone else who may have had the virus, what hope is there?
Applying that logic would not only eliminate all risk of spreading the virus, it would overnight end work in all its forms, put a stop to anyone leaving the house (there is every possibility of entering into someone's wake by doing so) and any form of social contact with anyone (because even the most compliant individual could not be certain, in Luminescent's world that everyone else in the confines of their own home had complied). Ludicrous.
There can certainly be no criticism of the RYA, who have fairly and diligently sought to maintain people's livelihoods within the restrictions and guidelines.
Applying that logic would not only eliminate all risk of spreading the virus, it would overnight end work in all its forms, put a stop to anyone leaving the house (there is every possibility of entering into someone's wake by doing so) and any form of social contact with anyone (because even the most compliant individual could not be certain, in Luminescent's world that everyone else in the confines of their own home had complied). Ludicrous.
There can certainly be no criticism of the RYA, who have fairly and diligently sought to maintain people's livelihoods within the restrictions and guidelines.
Sharky34
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The NHS, is a "pro organisation" & they wouldn't allow it, they exact a swab test & insist upon strict self isolation, not sure "instructors & recognised training centres" follow the expert protocols they do.
Alicatt
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capnsensible
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Excellent, thanks.