Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific

[tudorsailor]

I think RocnaONE left this mortal coil (figuratively speaking) many months ago.

I'm not sure that any response will be forthcoming.

Richard

He seemed to be promising exchanges for Chinese Rocnas. Any suggestion where to go from here. Spanish supplier was typically uninterested last year

TS

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Succinctly put - my response yesterday was because a post to say "Grant King has been tasked to community service due to failing to honour a building contract" has NOTHING to do with an Anchor company who intentionally misled their customers, distributors and retailers - it's completely Chalk and Cheese and appears to have been posted by a new forum user (again) and so smacks of a personal interest in trying to attack Grant again, which again is a seperate issue from this thread....

I have no intention of wading through everything to check it out but IIRC when the story about the building contract first came out the person who claimed to have lost out to Grant King came on here and made a few posts. He was a bit of a nutcase and was either banned or got short shrift from everyone here.

Pound to a penny that it was him coming back to get a dig in at Grant.

 

[RichardS]

He seemed to be promising exchanges for Chinese Rocnas. Any suggestion where to go from here. Spanish supplier was typically uninterested last year

TS

If the country importer is not responding then try emailing CMP directly - I think others have found them to be helpful.

Richard

 

[tudorsailor]

I have emailed rocna.com who are now Canada based to see if that helps. The Rocna site does say that they will replace all defective anchors.

I will post back when I have a reply

TudorSailor

 

[Neeves]

Its 6 years since the first report (that became controversial) on an anchor's performance and not a few anchor threads and thousands of posts since but is this an indictment (post 63), of the supposed excellence of that model, from someone who was innocently involved from the start?

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...-same-at-west-marine-83627-5.html#post1014640

Sorry it was a bit too obtuse,

The thread is about the Manson Boss. People seem to be interested in how it performs - as far as I know nothing has been published.

Post 63 is by Chuck Hawley, who is the 'anchor man' at West Marine. Mr Hawley was key in the tests done by WM that were reported by YM, Sail and another motor boat magazine in 2006. These published results were the basis for Rocna's claims for superiority. Mr Hawley appears to have a Manson Supreme on his yacht, not the much vaunted (by Rocna and some converts) Rocna. He apparently also has a Fortress FX23. Now if I had done the tests and the Rocna was that good - I would have had a Rocna as my anchor.

Mr Hawley says he will post video of the small Boss he has, if it crosses my screen I'll post the link - and be a bit less obtuse about it! I note that The Boss also has a 800 mpA shank - Manson are not taking any chances by cheapening the shanks of their products.

 

[Neeves]

Tudor Sailor,

If you do not mind me asking - the story has been aired for months, if not years now. What has taken you so long for you to decide you want to clarify the quality or change the anchor? I only ask - have you just realised the implications, just read the controversy?

If you read the various threads the current attitude is, boring, boring - you simply show there are people who have not acted and from a simple safety perspective might need goading into action.

Why?

Does more need to be done?

 

[tudorsailor]

Tudor Sailor,

If you do not mind me asking - the story has been aired for months, if not years now. What has taken you so long for you to decide you want to clarify the quality or change the anchor? I only ask - have you just realised the implications, just read the controversy?

If you read the various threads the current attitude is, boring, boring - you simply show there are people who have not acted and from a simple safety perspective might need goading into action.

Why?

Does more need to be done?

I bought my Rocna in March 2010, throught the Barcelona agent in Palma. Shortly afterwards it seemed that instead of having the dog's etc, I had a substandard anchor. I have been reading and watching the Rocna saga for as long as it has gone on. Over the months, I contacted the distributor in Spain who would do nothing. I contacted Rocna NZ who told me how to identify my anchor as being from the faulty batch. They then told me how it was likely to be strong enough according to testing they had done. There seemed little more for me to do other than buy a new anchor. I hoped that the worse that could happen would be a bent anchor rather than a broken one. If/when that happens, then I would buy a new anchor.

I ignored this thread having thought I had read it all before. Only recently did I read that the new Canadian owners have promised to find and replace any faulty anchors. So I have now emailed them and await a reply. So far, 24hours later, silence

So if the new Rocna agrees that my anchor is substandard and they exchange it for a new one, then maybe there ought to be more specific publicity that can be achieved


Does that help explain why I seem so late to the game?

TudorSailor

 

[Neeves]

TudorSailor,

Seems all pretty clear to me. I wonder how many others have been fobbed off with the 'your anchor will be ok' story.

If you bought in March 2010 it is very likely that your anchor is a 420 specified shank. It might even be from the very first batch and have a shank of typically 355 mpA steel, vs typically 645 mpA (though to be current spec) or typically 790 mpA (original spec), If it is a 20, 25 or 33kg weight it has a high chance to be the 355 mpA steel. The 33kg model is the weakest. If you stress a 420 or 355 shanked anchor along the length of the shank it would not bend (and that's the test Rocna NZ are basing their reply on). If the fluke is well set in firm sand and you load it at 90 degrees to the length of the shank it will bend (a bit like MDF). You could bend it simply trying to retreive it as you engines will have sufficient power to bend it, as per the Venice Lagoon anchor.

On a positive note - there is no indication any owner on approaching Rocna and or CMP with an anchor from the questionable production period (basically all of 2009 and most of 2010) has not had their anchor replaced. I believe offers are made to refund (but am not sure of this). Your problem might be location if you are in the UK and the anchor in Spain, but CMP seem to have been fairly accomodating in the past. Its just a pity they could not bring themsleves to issue a professional recall - this problem would then be dead and buried and they could get on with rebuilding a brand. Canadians obviously have strange ideas of safety and brand development (this latter emphasised by the use, or misuse, of RocnaONE aka ....).

Good luck and let us know how it all develops.

 

[Colvic Watson]

No mention on their site of a recall, but plenty on how using a Rocna reduces anxiety:

"A Rocna means more enjoyable and safer boating, a less anxious crew, and a good night's sleep."

 

[Deleted member 36384]

.... 355 mpA steel .....

The correct way of writing the unit is MPa: Mega pascals, 355 000 000 pascals.

 

[Neeves]

I'd like to say the errors are prompts to provoke a reaction but:

I'm lazy and forgetfull - but its really encouraging to know that people read this stuff! If CMP read it they take no notice and care little.

Thanks for the correction.

Jonathan

 

[Chris_Robb]

The correct way of writing the unit is MPa: Mega pascals, 355 000 000 pascals.

MPa: MAKES PISS-AWFULL ANCHORS

 

[Neeves]

I can only think CMP were assuming yachtsmen were very forgiving and had disfunctional memories.

Jonathan

 

[Colvic Watson]

Judy checking, but this thread ended up way longer than the Elizmor one. Though the guys on that one are catching up fast.

 

[Tex]

Great to see it resurrected !!,

 

[Stork_III]

A way to go yet then.

 

[zensilence]

I thought the length of an anchor "thread" was determined by the depth of discussion, the weight of the subject being discussed, the range of discussion around nearby subjects and how much hot air is blowing around...

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

I thought the length of an anchor "thread" was determined by the depth of discussion, the weight of the subject being discussed, the range of discussion around nearby subjects and how much hot air is blowing around...

too right!

+ my Rocna's still going well, 2 seasons now, dozens of overnighters and never failed to set 1st time often through 2 changes of tide.



LK ...good to meet,
Got back 9.15

S.

 

[Colvic Watson]

A pleasure to meet you and Mrs Tradewind, if we're in similar waters this summer we must put together an impromptu Uke orchestra.

That's a jolly nice car you have BTW, no.2 daughter v impressed.

 

[robmcg]

too right!

+ my Rocna's still going well, 2 seasons now, dozens of overnighters and never failed to set 1st time often through 2 changes of tide.



LK ...good to meet,
Got back 9.15

S.

Just a quick query. Do you have a bowsprit and does the Rocna fit in the bow roller under the bowsprit?

Rob