Keen_Ed
Active member
Strike one.
Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific
- Thread starter Laura Nineham
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Strike one.
Flying Penguin
New member
Oh ****, I had high hopes this wouldn't turn into a 500 post slagging match.
Optimism rarely works out I see.
Laura Nineham
New member
I understand why you'd like to know RocnaONE's identity, but if they want to remain anonymous then that is their choice. It's certainly not for me or anyone else to try and reveal who they are.
Hopefully RocnaONE won't post anything else trying to guess others' real identities, as I don't believe in having different rules for different people.
Hopefully RocnaONE won't post anything else trying to guess others' real identities, as I don't believe in having different rules for different people.
Tex
Member
Given the recent history and cavalier attitude of previous spokepersons, if ROCNA are to have any chance of re-establishing credibiltiy surely it would at least be helpful to know the provenance and authority of those now speaking on their behalf.
Scotty_Tradewind
Well-known member
Lady C still has faith in Rocna! Not sure that 'she' has faith in getting rid of the CQR though!
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287991
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287991
Rigger Mortice
N/A
Great to hear that and I hope it works out for you.
An easy question for you to answer as fast as you can.........
Did Steve Bambury transfer to the new set up or is he still involved in any way?
chewi
Active member
in my experience you have to camp a qa engineer on their site for months to have them read the drawings, let alone follow the specs, and that was for a simple painted lowstress casting.
Pye_End
Well-known member
Craig doesn't bother me. He gets a bit over-excited on fora. I tune out of the 'mine is better than yours' posts, and focus on his more useful words of wisdom. He was presumably involved in some way in the development and manufacture (in the early days) of an excellent anchor. He believes in a quality product. Presumably the licence was then passed to the NZ company who made some bad decisions, including being 'economical' with the facts to their customers. I would be much more concerned about Steve Bambury if he were part of the new set-up.
RocnaONE
New member
#46
Steve Bambury did indeed transfer to the new company, under contract. He is presently working on a set of technical and admin tasks in New Zealand, and with the handover details. He also has substantial knowledge of the production history and procedures, as well as the sales and distribution structures.
Name guessing - yes it was wrong, but I do like a level playing field. I won't do it again.
I discussed the question of anonymity with YBW mods before we registered RocnaONE. R1 seemed like a convenient shorthand form as a sig. YBW mods and other IPC people know exactly who I am irl. There was, and is, no intention to hide behind it, just to use it as a vector for answering questions and helping with advice when necessary. It is an accepted forum convention, which I shall continue to follow.
Steve Bambury did indeed transfer to the new company, under contract. He is presently working on a set of technical and admin tasks in New Zealand, and with the handover details. He also has substantial knowledge of the production history and procedures, as well as the sales and distribution structures.
Name guessing - yes it was wrong, but I do like a level playing field. I won't do it again.
I discussed the question of anonymity with YBW mods before we registered RocnaONE. R1 seemed like a convenient shorthand form as a sig. YBW mods and other IPC people know exactly who I am irl. There was, and is, no intention to hide behind it, just to use it as a vector for answering questions and helping with advice when necessary. It is an accepted forum convention, which I shall continue to follow.
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Rigger Mortice
N/A
Whilst, in view of the problems, there is a wonderful irony in those words, thanks for giving a straight answer.
GrantKing
New member
You know , just the same as I do , that the appearance on the production delivery sheets of an identification code seperating Q420 and Q620 only started in 2010.
Prior to this , as you also know, all were made in the Q420.
So its simple really, all product prior to 2010 falls into this group of substandard metal and you can then identify, as I can from the sheets, the same shanks since early 2010.
Is that clear enough?
maxi77
Active member
I must admit that as a wholly non involved watcher of this one (I have not bought a Rocna) I am some what confused by the present situation as it appears. A new company has taken over the manufacture and distribution of the anchors. Yet they seem to have no real plan as to what to do about the past which may well be a significant potential cost and barrier to future sales. Now when I was involved in business one drew up plans before the investment and going public.
From the outside it still appears that there is a cover up of some kind going on, the new supplier is in place and has a PR man on here handing out place holders rather than a clear view of the way forward.
From the outside it still appears that there is a cover up of some kind going on, the new supplier is in place and has a PR man on here handing out place holders rather than a clear view of the way forward.
Rigger Mortice
N/A
I think we have to be cautiously open minded about all this.
It's either a smoke screen to give the appearance of things changing for the better, or it is a genuine new start with a new company getting to grips with re-establishing a failed brand. If it is the former we'll see it for what it is soon enough. If it is genuine then it will take longer for people to be convinced.
It's either a smoke screen to give the appearance of things changing for the better, or it is a genuine new start with a new company getting to grips with re-establishing a failed brand. If it is the former we'll see it for what it is soon enough. If it is genuine then it will take longer for people to be convinced.
Coaster
Active member
Is discussion of this subject making a mountain out of a molehill? I appreciate that some people are more concerned with principles than with practicality, but if the "low strength" Rocna anchors were seriously defective why are we not seeing lots of reports of bent shanks?
I understand that worldwide there has only been a handful of bent anchors, and none at all in the British Isles. Is that correct?
I understand that worldwide there has only been a handful of bent anchors, and none at all in the British Isles. Is that correct?
Rigger Mortice
N/A
We don't really know because we don't know how much was covered up.
Many people may well have weak anchors without knowing. It's only in severe conditions that the product will fail and not many people deliberately go looking for those conditions to anchor in. However, if you have paid a premium price for what you believe to be a premium product you have every right to believe that that is what you have got.
Many people may well have weak anchors without knowing. It's only in severe conditions that the product will fail and not many people deliberately go looking for those conditions to anchor in. However, if you have paid a premium price for what you believe to be a premium product you have every right to believe that that is what you have got.
RocnaONE
New member
Right, having spent the last few hours welded to a telephone to Canada, and the UK main distributor, let me say that the last couple of weeks have been a very difficult one with the due diligence searches, changing of work contracts, some website issues, and trying to set up proper auditable files and comms records.
In an ideal world the M&A process would have been properly planned against a schedule, so that everything ticked along one after the other. There are a number of reasons which many of you involved international business will understand have made this difficult to achieve. However, it is a ll taking shape now.
We have been working today on a Memorandum from John Mitchell, the CEO of CMP. It will cover:
the identification and replacement of any defective product
details of new controls of Production
information about Classification standards
the new inventory process
the changes to the Rocna CMP website
I will make sure that the YBW forum staff are given a copy as soon as possible so that if they wish, they can put details up on the news page.
I have had a number of PMs with concerned owners. It remains a priority for me to help sort out their questions and to work with the distributor Marine Factors to resolve them.
To give you an indication of how CMP is totally committed to developing the Rocna anchors in conjunction with their existing product range of anodes, chain and autopilots, CMP and Rocna have taken a stand at METS 2011, the marine trade show, in Amsterdam from 15 - 17 Nov. Peter Smith will be there, and other CMP management.
If you have questions or comments, please keep them coming. My electronic door is always open.
R.
In an ideal world the M&A process would have been properly planned against a schedule, so that everything ticked along one after the other. There are a number of reasons which many of you involved international business will understand have made this difficult to achieve. However, it is a ll taking shape now.
We have been working today on a Memorandum from John Mitchell, the CEO of CMP. It will cover:
the identification and replacement of any defective product
details of new controls of Production
information about Classification standards
the new inventory process
the changes to the Rocna CMP website
I will make sure that the YBW forum staff are given a copy as soon as possible so that if they wish, they can put details up on the news page.
I have had a number of PMs with concerned owners. It remains a priority for me to help sort out their questions and to work with the distributor Marine Factors to resolve them.
To give you an indication of how CMP is totally committed to developing the Rocna anchors in conjunction with their existing product range of anodes, chain and autopilots, CMP and Rocna have taken a stand at METS 2011, the marine trade show, in Amsterdam from 15 - 17 Nov. Peter Smith will be there, and other CMP management.
If you have questions or comments, please keep them coming. My electronic door is always open.
R.
BrendanS
Well-known member
Are you having to do this in boating forums across the globe? If so, my sympathies!
RocnaONE
New member
#54
I believe that there have been 9 bent shanks reported worldwide, and I do not know of any UK ones. I shall check with the distributor tomorrow.
One other major anchor maker reported on this forum that they have a return rate of about 0.5%.
Sometimes anchors do get stuck, and boats steam around in circles trying to dislodge them. To design an anchor to resist these kinds of lateral stresses would mean that the shank would have to be so heavy that it would compromise the penetration function of the tip.
So anchor shanks will under certain extreme circumstances bend. Any anchor.
BTW. Peter Smith is back from a trip to Patagonia, Falklands and S Georgia. He is working on his own website to include some stunning, really stunning photographs. I will let you know when he is ready to go live with the pics. (They may even show you a yacht or two lying to Force 9 in the South Atlantic - using a Rocna, of course )
I believe that there have been 9 bent shanks reported worldwide, and I do not know of any UK ones. I shall check with the distributor tomorrow.
One other major anchor maker reported on this forum that they have a return rate of about 0.5%.
Sometimes anchors do get stuck, and boats steam around in circles trying to dislodge them. To design an anchor to resist these kinds of lateral stresses would mean that the shank would have to be so heavy that it would compromise the penetration function of the tip.
So anchor shanks will under certain extreme circumstances bend. Any anchor.
BTW. Peter Smith is back from a trip to Patagonia, Falklands and S Georgia. He is working on his own website to include some stunning, really stunning photographs. I will let you know when he is ready to go live with the pics. (They may even show you a yacht or two lying to Force 9 in the South Atlantic - using a Rocna, of course
)Dockhead
Active member
Your post seems to imply that, in your opinion, Q420 is substandard, while Q620 is OK. But Q620 is not the same as the Bisalloy specified, is it? Is it close enough? This is interesting information.
I have a 55kg Rocna made in 2010. I wonder what it's made of? I am planning to return it shortly to Pipler's and buy a Spade like I had on my old boat.
GrantKing
New member
I do not state that it is Ok.
It is what HF wanted to use as a cheaper alternative and better than 420.
It is still below the designer's specification.
If Peter Smith says it is ok then we will have to take his word on it.
It is not close enough to the Bis80 specs.
I feel that in all fairness we need to allow CMP to sort themselves out and come out with information of how they will "fix" things and also for them to consider that they have not been told the complete facts yet.
