RNLI and stay at home lockdown

[25931]

Just reached the good years , hope you get out this year sailing

Thanks, I hope so too but it wouldn't be the first disappointment in my life and I've survived them all so Ishook forward to next year.

 

[boomerangben]

As implied earlier on, requesting a lifeboat crew/cliff rescue team/mountain rescue team or indeed any other volunteer rescue organisations puts the crews/teams at greater risk to themselves from each other than from rescuing one or two people from a COVID perspective. Assembling a crew simply goes against social distancing protocols. Now it is acceptable of course to do so to save life, but really what needs to happen and is indeed generally happening is that people do not put themselves at an increased risk of needing assistance. Quite frankly I believe that cases where people are stranded the wrong side of a causeway, an otherwise well found yacht with a rough engine or similar incident where life and limb are not at risk and time and tide will allow self rescue, the RNLI etc should turn down taskings.

 

[FlyingGoose]

One thing as usual with all these threads going off all over the place , we need to calm down put it into perspective and keep clam and follow the facts and the guidelines
A, factories all over the country are re opening in May
B, McDonalds are opening
C, Band Q have opened
D, work still continues in many places were they have not be furloughed
supermarkets and pharmacies , doctors surgery , are probably the most contagious places to be, ,
The Virus has so far little aerosol value , so really needs to be close contact or sticking your hands in your mouth or eyes or nose the main vectors for transmission,
Washing hands with good old soap does the trick and keep more than 2 metres away

So I know we can all shout about selfish , me, me me and the rest, for even mentioning going to your boat on a boat forum and reasonable discussion goes into melt down were people like to tell us all about deaths and sick people
40. 000 Deaths from sepsis last year
164,000 deaths form Cancer , including my Mum ,Stepfather, and Uncle who is recovery at the moment
I am not comparing deaths all deaths are to some one heartbreaking , but if you truly wanted to contain a virus you would lock down everything, and I mean everything ,(bit like small cell lung cancer and smoking but we do not ban smoking ) by not doing this and having wishy washy guild lines people ask questions people challenge rules , and why not , the Government made a farce of this and we suffer ,
I my Daughter my Wife surprisingly are all in the high risk category, the Wife we think has had it 4 weeks now and only coming out of something wicked, shes is only 42, but does have half a lung missing .
So I would love for a small restriction lifted so I can go see my boat , I have the intelligence to wash my hands regularly , social distance and not to interfere with others , when my boat was on the hard last time 2 years ago, I never saw a soul when I worked on her , I think common sense is needed not irrational arguments and in fighting , lets discuss how to get out of this because we are on a sailing forum that;s what were supposed to do
I am an aspie emotion and respone are not my thing but clear though and problem solving is , so please do not take it as an uncaring post, but also be aware that 2 million children are now at risk because of lock down 5000 unexplained deaths , as Hospital admissions have tumbled , 75% less referrals for cancer treatments , domestic abuse rising , the untold stories of this virus let us see the suicide rates for middle aged men for this year as jobs and businesses are lost ,

 

[Stemar]

Going back to PPE for the RNLI, Mountain Rescue, etc, I would have thought that a good set of bad weather clothing, including helmet and goggles would be at least as good as the PPE used by the NHS. In properly bad weather, rain, spray, etc, there won't be any virus around outside.

Towing in an errant yottie in tee shirt weather's another matter, but I'd think that in a "real" rescue, CV is a minute additional risk.

One further thought, While one infection's one too many and one death is way too many, lifeboat crews are generally pretty fit, or they couldn't do their job so, should they get CV, they're less likely than most of us to become seriously ill or die. I'm not crew - way too old and infirm - but if I were, that's the way I'd be looking at it.

I don't criticise the RNLI for telling us to STFAH. It's the official line and they'd be in no end of trouble for taking a different view. They also have to be seen to be looking after their staff and volunteers, which may or may not be the same thing as actually looking after them.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I can completely agree but Bob was assured by his friend that he wasn't infected and he hadn't come into contact. So he thought 'What is the harm I am just going sailing how more isolated can you get?

Then Bob is an idiot and will do for his wife eventually. For the moment it is probably reasonable to legislate for the idiots, but that is unsustainable.

Ultimately I am siding with the experts here ...

There are experts here?

 

[JumbleDuck]

I do get your point, and discussing how things will be different in the future is not the same as complaining about the current restrictions. You only have to look through the headings all over this forum to see "Why can't I do this" or "The Dutch are doing that" or "If they can walk, cycle, tend their allotment, surf etc etc" then we should be able to go sailing!

Those are perfectly reasonable questions, you know.

All of those points have been pretty comprehensively discussed by both sides of the relative arguments so it's not as if there is anything new to add and I just find the incessant moaning about it, well quite franky.....childish! Some people just seem to need to grow up and have a reality check.

With all due respect, "I'm bored with this discussion because people keep disagreeing with me so I want everyone to shut up" seems more than a tad childish to me. I just ignore threads which don't interest me.

 

[Juan Twothree]

lifeboat crews are generally pretty fit, or they couldn't do their job so, should they get CV, they're less likely than most of us to become seriously ill or die. I'm not crew - way too old and infirm - but if I were, that's the way I'd be looking at it.

But as has been mentioned previously, lifeboat crew also have to get on with their everyday lives away from the lifeboat.

So although I personally may only suffer mild symptoms (which may not necessarily be the case, as I'm well into my fifties), I don't want to bring the lurgy home and infect my family, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[webcraft]

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Surely what is needed is for skippers who want to put to sea to sign DNR orders which the coastguard, RNLI and other emergency services have copies of?

(Do Not Rescue)

- W

 

[FlyingGoose]

But as has been mentioned previously, lifeboat crew also have to get on with their everyday lives away from the lifeboat.

So although I personally may only suffer mild symptoms (which may not necessarily be the case, as I'm well into my fifties), I don't want to bring the lurgy home and infect my family, or anyone else for that matter.

I know it is a bit pedantic but this is how my brain works, you do have an option not to go as it is a volunteer position (I assume) therefore if you have family at risk could you not stand down

 

[Lightwave395]

I know it is a bit pedantic but this is how my brain works, you do have an option not to go as it is a volunteer position (I assume) therefore if you have family at risk could you not stand down

If somebodys life were at risk at sea, you know that none of the crew would be likely to stand down, volunteer or otherwise

 

[FlyingGoose]

If somebodys life were at risk at sea, you know that none of the crew would be likely to stand down, volunteer or otherwise

Then without being an arse , they should not talk about it or complain, if they wish to do so , choices are made by the individual risk is everywhere and the indivudual needs to choose ,
Also the risk of catching covid rescuing a boat which demographically are owned by retired people and have self isolated for going on 40 days and then travel to boat and following good social distancing and constantly washing their hands are less than most aspects of life we are allowed to do at the moment , I do not expect to be rescued by anyone, much much appreciate the RNLI hence I donate , but as driving a car I do not take out recovery service , and my expectations of sailing in local waters in good conditions I would expect no need for a rescue, but poop happens , so does doing DIY in my house,

 

[Lightwave395]

Then without being an arse , they should not talk about it or complain, if they wish to do so , choices are made by the individual risk is everywhere and the indivudual needs to choose ,

Yea, tried that conversation with my daughter but she insists on going out and helping people leaving her 4 children with her husband:

 

[FlyingGoose]

Yea, tried that conversation with my daughter but she insists on going out and helping people leaving her 4 children with her husband:


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Good on her I say., her choice , her risk, many of us do our bit to help others to , I do not query anyone's attempt to be a good Samaritan , nor do I chastise people who use common sense good hygiene and social distancing , if that means they can go sailing good for them .
If the RNLI do not want to save them because there putting others at a fraction of any risk , so be it ,
It is a charity run organisation and really should not get involved in any politics or decisions, to many times I have seen the RNLI boys and girls make no comment on boats having no fuel not checked their engines, poor sailing crew, boat not seaworthy etc and they make no comment
only to say it could be one of us out there , why is the virus different, the chances of catching it are so small it is silly if those on the boat adhered to proper protocols , then the chances of being poorly are small, then the chances of passing it on if you have adhered to proper protocol i,e wash your hands are even smaller .
Risk is so low one would expect taking some one of the rocks is more dangerous

 

[[70521]]

Going back to PPE for the RNLI, Mountain Rescue, etc, I would have thought that a good set of bad weather clothing, including helmet and goggles would be at least as good as the PPE used by the NHS. In properly bad weather, rain, spray, etc, there won't be any virus around outside.

As an ex Mountain Rescue team member how do you give CPR and mouth to mouth in a helmet and googles? MTR and Lifeboat crews are the paramedics past the roadhead.

 

[penberth3]

As an ex Mountain Rescue team member how do you give CPR and mouth to mouth in a helmet and googles? MTR and Lifeboat crews are the paramedics past the roadhead.

I'm reliably informed, advice on this has gone to everyone at the sharp end.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

...... I'm not sure we should be going sailing particularly urgently, .......

I agree, these days I always try and sail non urgently. (-;

 

[Biggles Wader]

Do MR and RNLI still do mouth to mouth? This became a big no no in other emergency services around the time of HIV and increased Hep B back in the late 80s IIRC. Very high risk irrespective of the current virus problems.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

As an ex Mountain Rescue team member how do you give CPR and mouth to mouth in a helmet and googles? MTR and Lifeboat crews are the paramedics past the roadhead.

My old first aid instructor put it like this: " They arent breathing, if you dont do something they will be dead in 3 minutes. You dont have right face sheild. They might have Aids or Hepatitcis or something"

They might not have aids etc. If they do you might not catch it. But you cant know.

Those 180 seconds have ticked away a bit"

"Your call - you have a hanky as sheild - your call, but if you dont act soon it will be too late"

He made it very clear the line of his thought, and all MRT folk I know who act accordingly and no doubt so would RNLI folk.

Anticovid PPE wont benefit the RNLI but could frustrate their safety and ability to perform.

 

[NotBirdseye]

Then Bob is an idiot and will do for his wife eventually. For the moment it is probably reasonable to legislate for the idiots, but that is unsustainable.



There are experts here?

I quite agree and yet there are members here who feel they should be able to flout lockdown and go sailing having no idea whether they are or could be a carrier. I frankly agree that they are idiots and selfish often having no idea of the risk they pose to society but this is why we have police and why the government issues guidelines. So that their tax revenue doesn't take too much of a dive.

Ah... no that's unlikely, I meant I am agreeing with the scientists such as Imperial College, WHO, London Economics... the Oxford Vaccine project and thousands of NHS Staff in the matter that I was dealing with in my post. Sometimes I feel it's better to be a bit cautious if I'm not an expert in the area, than gung ho.

 

[Juan Twothree]

Do MR and RNLI still do mouth to mouth?

The RNLI don't. We use a bag/valve/mask, with oxygen.