landaftaf
Well-Known Member
in fact I didnt say that - I quoted rule 30 earlier in the postings which says precisely what you have quoted.
/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Riding lights
- Thread starter A_7
- Start date
l'escargot
Well-Known Member
Aerial Photo
ccscott49
Well-Known Member
OK, thought you said that you needed a light on a mooring, obviouslly misread, sorry.
landaftaf
Well-Known Member
again - I have quoted the rules for 20, 12 and 7 m vessels in tha past about shapes ..... its all there to see and to be honest if I quoted each rule avery time I refered to them I would be here all day - any no-one would read them anyway
landaftaf
Well-Known Member
I read that one earlier ....... including local custom etc ....
I am also aware of the vessel fined by the dot for not showing correct anchor lights in the humber anchorage some time ago ........ a designated anchorage , it goes to show how various ppl interperitate the colregs.
it also says that local authoritiies can make local laws overriding the colregs - where unlit buoys may not be considered a danger to navigation ......
so the question is whether the permanant moorings off yarmouth are considered to be close to a navigable channel - that will detemine if rule 30 applies.
I am also aware of the vessel fined by the dot for not showing correct anchor lights in the humber anchorage some time ago ........ a designated anchorage , it goes to show how various ppl interperitate the colregs.
it also says that local authoritiies can make local laws overriding the colregs - where unlit buoys may not be considered a danger to navigation ......
so the question is whether the permanant moorings off yarmouth are considered to be close to a navigable channel - that will detemine if rule 30 applies.
landaftaf
Well-Known Member
Re: Aerial Photo
nice foto .... its changed a lot since I was there last
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
if you were there during the late 1980's do you remember the
'sultan venturer' ?
happy times
nice foto .... its changed a lot since I was there last
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
if you were there during the late 1980's do you remember the
'sultan venturer' ?
happy times
Robin
Well-Known Member
Re: Aerial Photo
That shows it nicely. The boat at the bottom looks to be sitting about where Black Rock is!
Robin
That shows it nicely. The boat at the bottom looks to be sitting about where Black Rock is!
Robin
B
bob_tyler
Guest
"If I'm aboard, even on a mooring, I show a riding (anchor) light. Just belt and braces really, not a legal or colregs rule."
May I suggest that you should always wear a life-jacket when driving your car in case you skid into a river. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
May I suggest that you should always wear a life-jacket when driving your car in case you skid into a river. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Salty
Well-Known Member
Good job home isn\'t up Southampton Water
I think A_7 can be grateful he can have his little outburst here, having stopped outside Yarmouth. God help him, with his night vision, if he'd tried to get up Southampton Water with those damned great unlit mooring buoys strung all the way up.
I think A_7 can be grateful he can have his little outburst here, having stopped outside Yarmouth. God help him, with his night vision, if he'd tried to get up Southampton Water with those damned great unlit mooring buoys strung all the way up.
Ships_Cat
Well-Known Member
Ens v Gabany
In that example was the vessel riding to its own anchor or on a mooring or do you not know?
Was it in a mooring field or not, or do you not know?
I don't think anyone is disputing that a vessel on its own anchor should display a light, although I have seen it stated by national authorities that it is not considered necessary if in a designated anchorage even if over 7m (think it is 7m in the ColRegs for the case it not being necessary, but havent checked).
Do you own a yacht or just basing your opinions on ship practices?
John
In that example was the vessel riding to its own anchor or on a mooring or do you not know?
Was it in a mooring field or not, or do you not know?
I don't think anyone is disputing that a vessel on its own anchor should display a light, although I have seen it stated by national authorities that it is not considered necessary if in a designated anchorage even if over 7m (think it is 7m in the ColRegs for the case it not being necessary, but havent checked).
Do you own a yacht or just basing your opinions on ship practices?
John
jimi
Well-Known Member
John, suspect you're getting the same vibes as me!
landaftaf
Well-Known Member
that illustration was specifically posted to counter the claim that if a vessel hit an unlit yacht the anchored yacht would always not be apportioned blame.
I have no further info re the incident
I dont currently own a yacht - but had shares in one up until about 10 yrs ago ..... so speak from both sides of the fence, as well as that I have been sailing around the solent before during and after my teenage years, both day cruising and racing ..... as well as belonging to the local rowing club ........ so I guess I am fairly well rounded on sea stuff, as well as having first hand knowledge of admiralty buoys, mooring trots, anchored yots in narrow channels, plus as you know 35 yrs in the merch .......
of course I am not as experienced as some here, but am happy to share my knowledge whether it is welcome or not with anyone who cares to read it.
/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I have no further info re the incident
I dont currently own a yacht - but had shares in one up until about 10 yrs ago ..... so speak from both sides of the fence, as well as that I have been sailing around the solent before during and after my teenage years, both day cruising and racing ..... as well as belonging to the local rowing club ........ so I guess I am fairly well rounded on sea stuff, as well as having first hand knowledge of admiralty buoys, mooring trots, anchored yots in narrow channels, plus as you know 35 yrs in the merch .......
of course I am not as experienced as some here, but am happy to share my knowledge whether it is welcome or not with anyone who cares to read it.
/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
duncan
Well-Known Member
[ QUOTE ]
being on a mooring buoy is exactly akin to being at anchor.
[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
the definition of being at anchor is being connected to the sea bed
[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
a vessel on a mooring buoy is considered to be a vessel at anchor
[/ QUOTE ]
for the sake of completeness it is the above 'statements of fact' that initially, and still, cause my concern.
There is no general definition, under Rule 3, of a vessel at anchor that supports these statements and I therefore challenge you to produce material to support them rather than continue to support that part of your premise that no one is disputing.
The exemption in Rule 30 for boats under 7m is simply a confusion to the principle here. Even if it was argued that a fixed mooring was by some definition not in an area of general navigation it only applies to vessels up to 7m.
By your definition any one returning to their vessel on a trot on a Friday night to find the hull stove in would be replacing their usual expletives with 'oh dear me, I do hope this didn't happen at night or the gentlemen concerned will be sueing me for not leaving the riding light on last month.....' assuming of course he left the black ball up or else he's buggered either way.
being on a mooring buoy is exactly akin to being at anchor.
[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
the definition of being at anchor is being connected to the sea bed
[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
a vessel on a mooring buoy is considered to be a vessel at anchor
[/ QUOTE ]
for the sake of completeness it is the above 'statements of fact' that initially, and still, cause my concern.
There is no general definition, under Rule 3, of a vessel at anchor that supports these statements and I therefore challenge you to produce material to support them rather than continue to support that part of your premise that no one is disputing.
The exemption in Rule 30 for boats under 7m is simply a confusion to the principle here. Even if it was argued that a fixed mooring was by some definition not in an area of general navigation it only applies to vessels up to 7m.
By your definition any one returning to their vessel on a trot on a Friday night to find the hull stove in would be replacing their usual expletives with 'oh dear me, I do hope this didn't happen at night or the gentlemen concerned will be sueing me for not leaving the riding light on last month.....' assuming of course he left the black ball up or else he's buggered either way.
jimi
Well-Known Member
Never mentioned at anchor, there's no issue there. We are talking pernament moorings in an area marked as such on a chart .. have you ever seen one or were you merely the comic act in the cabaret?
Robin
Well-Known Member
Duncan
You managed to miss us in Swanage last weekend despite us having neither a riding light or balls up /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Robin
You managed to miss us in Swanage last weekend despite us having neither a riding light or balls up /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Robin
Andrew_Fanner
Well-Known Member
Hardly a pronouncement ex cathedra but I recall asking my YM instructor about anchor lights when on a buoy in a designated area of moorings (quoting Cowes). I was told that a light was not required in an area marked as moorings on the chart.
Interesting point on solar powered garden lights though, how long do these things last after a UK style sunny day? Could be tempted.
Interesting point on solar powered garden lights though, how long do these things last after a UK style sunny day? Could be tempted.
Evadne
Well-Known Member
solar powered garden (gnome) Riding lights
The cheap ones last for about 4 hours after a sunny day. A friend who's Elizabethan 30 has in recent years been clouted at least twice, whilst on her mooring in Poole harbour, now sports one of these. Not a gnome actually, but I don't think it says in the colregs that it has to be a plain one. You could start a new and beautifully tasteless fashion. Unfortunately the most recent clout happened this year with said anchor light up, so it is no guarantee against blind sailors.
The cheap ones last for about 4 hours after a sunny day. A friend who's Elizabethan 30 has in recent years been clouted at least twice, whilst on her mooring in Poole harbour, now sports one of these. Not a gnome actually, but I don't think it says in the colregs that it has to be a plain one. You could start a new and beautifully tasteless fashion. Unfortunately the most recent clout happened this year with said anchor light up, so it is no guarantee against blind sailors.
Robin
Well-Known Member
Re: solar powered garden (gnome) Riding lights
Dave
I had a Liz 30, lovely boats. Where is he roughly in Poole? Usual culprits for the hit and runs on moorings sadly are the dinghies racing and that is several afternoons and evenings during the week as well as at weekends, night time bumps are rarer.
Robin
Dave
I had a Liz 30, lovely boats. Where is he roughly in Poole? Usual culprits for the hit and runs on moorings sadly are the dinghies racing and that is several afternoons and evenings during the week as well as at weekends, night time bumps are rarer.
Robin
Nich39Nige
Well-Known Member
Re: solar powered garden (gnome) Riding lights
Robin,
My boats in Poole on one of Saltern's mooring alongside the main channel and I've never been bumped nor, since I'm out of the country most of the time, do I display an anchor light. Is your's in a marina?
Nige
Robin,
My boats in Poole on one of Saltern's mooring alongside the main channel and I've never been bumped nor, since I'm out of the country most of the time, do I display an anchor light. Is your's in a marina?
Nige
Sailfree
Well-Known Member
Sorry - Got to ask. As I normally arrive at Yarmouth too late for any vacant mooring buoys I normally anchor to the west of the buoys ( good photos of boats aground on black rock from there)
Should I or would you use an anchor light in this position- sorry Robin we only have the masthead light and I agree it gets lost in the background cluuter.
Should I or would you use an anchor light in this position- sorry Robin we only have the masthead light and I agree it gets lost in the background cluuter.
