Responding to a Pan Pan

kcrane

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SWMBO and I were off the Plymouth breakwater in the 8m Rodman when we heard a pan pan on VHF16 - the message was that they'd lost power off Cawsand (and east facing bay in Plymouth Sound) with 6 aboard, including some kids. We waited a couple of minutes to see what the Coastguard would say, but there was no reply. We then replied to the casualty and could hear them loud and clear - they could obviously hear us too. The wind was in east with a 2ft swell, not that comfortable, and they were drifting onto the rocks in-between two beaches. We asked if they like help, they said yes, and so off we went. We had stayed on VHF16 during the discussion and assuming we would have been overheard by the Coastguard I half expected to be stood down in favour of the inshore - or asked to relay messages - but radio silence.

When we got there they were up against the rocks, but were getting the kids off the bow, leaving two adult men to their waists trying to hold the boat (a 18ft Larson) off from banging up and down, which was going to cause it quite some damage.

The water was too shallow and the rocks too close, plus the swell, for me to get close, but with a big effort and clearly tired they paddled it far enough out for us to get alongside and try to tow them out into deeper water. So far so good, until lack of experience with this type of thing started to make itself known.

The swell was moving the boats differently, and it despite all the fenders SWMBO had put over, they were popping up and threatening to leave us banging together. Also, the swell was pushing us back in to the rocks, now two boats attached to each other. I then discovered that there was no way two tiny props and twin 160hp was going to move us against the swell at idle, so I needed to rev the engines, which put a strain on the lines and cleats and on my nerves. We got out a bit, but not with any elegance or that much control.

So I shouted that we'd have to let them go, or we would both end up in trouble. In return they asked if we could try a tow astern, left to drift they'd be back on the rocks. It seemed worth a try, and SWMBO did a sterling job of getting their bow line and dropping them back... but we had the dinghy on the bathing platform and the most she could do was tie them to a stern quarter before the strain came back on.

Again, it didn't work. We weren't using a long line, they were only maybe 15ft behind us, and of course while waiting to be able to manoeuvre, we drifted back, but in our lee, they didn't and the boats started to come close. Thinking I couldn't gun the engines for risk of breaking something, I put on more power slowly but their drag off one quarter made us crab sideways more than head out to sea, but we got 100m further over and off a beach rather than rocks.

Thinking that was the best I could do, I slowed and shouted back that they'd have to beach it, only to find that the Rodman stopped, but the Larson didn't and it ran into our stern quarter despite the best efforts of their crew to fend off. Panic stations, lots of shouting "Go forward, go forward" - so I did. Mistake. The loose line went round out port prop, Damn. Fortunately there was a very sharp fishing knife to hand, and we cut the line from the cleat to the prop and from their bow to the prop and off they drifted. My immediate worry was that we now had one engine, just off a lee shore with rocks, but fortunately the rope-cutters did their job and both engines worked, though with a "rat rat rat" noise (loose rope end spinning and hitting the hull I thought).

Once a safe distance off I idled the port engine and set off to limp back to the lift at QAB to check the damage. I radioed the Larson to check they were OK and they were, they were beached in a bit of surf, but the tide was on its way out and they were soon completely aground.

Lots of lessons I guess. I thought to radio the Coastguard myself, but delayed it until we could see what was happening, by then the urge to help got in the way of think more clearly. They'd sensibly carried the kids off, so the only danger was now to property, so I could have just left them and said I couldn't risk my boat when no lives were in danger. I should have guessed the swell would make an alongside tow too difficult. But I hadn't ever had a discussion with SWMBO about bridles and tow lines needing to be long and attached at multiple points - so shouting back "Set a bridle to both stern quarters and attached a long tow line to the centre of it" would have got me some swear words.

Rodman is now blocked off at QAB waiting checks and repairs. There are some minor scratches and one tennis ball sized dent in the GRP, plus the port shaft looks to be 1cm too far back (maybe). Co-incidentally the Larson owner keeps it at QAB and late in the afternoon turned up back having been towed home by a big RIB once things calmed down. Turned out he had been using a handheld to call for help and wondered if we could hear him (a couple of miles away but line of sight) when Coastguard couldn't.

Not sure whether to think we did the wrong thing or not, but certainly proud of SWMBO, who did a calm and quick job with directing operations, while handling lines & fenders.
 
Wow some story. As you say, the initial impulse to help overrides the thought as to if this is practical. I can imagine the tension rising as things go awry.
Hope the boat is sorted soon.At least no fingers caught or anything less repairable. Interesting situation though...next time would you contact CG and get "advice" from them.. sort of alleviates you own sense(perhaps incorrect) of "obligation" maybe ?
 
I would say you did a good job considering you'd not done this sort of thing before. However, in hindsight, you'd probably have been better off calling the CG and "relaying" the Pan call.

You would then have been able to pass the relevent info to the CG who could have called out the ILB.

Neverthess well done and lots of things to think about for the future!
 
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Bottom line is you should have relayed the PanPan to the CG and then stood by.

BUT you reacted as many of us would and have learnt a lot.

You COULD have ended up being a casualty too, you didn't and I just hope that you are near me if ever I run into trouble.

Well done.
 
Hi K, well done for helping; shame about the damage but I hope you'll soon have that sorted. Pan pan relay does seem to be the answer here, but of course it is easy to say that when you're sitting at a keyboard rather than actually being there at the sharp end. Ref the stern tow, was there no opportunity to quickly make a crude bridle between your two stern cleats to spread the towing load?
 
A good job in difficult circumstances ... but I do wonder why the call wasn't picked up by the CG.
The only tow I did last season was out at sea in very benign conditions, and nowhere near any rocks. With the tender onboard, I can rig a line inboard between the two stern cleats that droops a bit, with a second line free to slide along it. Then the whole lot goes over the stern. Not running over the towline is the major headache.
 
I'm sure lots of people would say "you should have don this or that"
But, actually, as Jimmy says, until you have been in that position, you wouldn't know what you would do yourself.

In fact, you and the people in the Larson are the winners here.
Nobody was hurt and you are all much wiser.
Thats a result IMO.
 
I've done a couple of rescue tows with ribs & our sailboat - however, I've been brought up with rescue boat duties whilst dinghy racing - so I'm used to thinking quickly.

I don't know if it would work - but my thoughts on your rescue (as I see it) - I'll ignore the radio procedure ...

I wouldn't have put the boat alongside to start with - not in a swell - it just doesn't work.
If depth was a concern - and it would be for me too - then a line off the bow to the casualty vessel and reverse out would be my preference.
You could use your anchor point as a tow point.
I wouldn't "gun it" unless absolutely necessary - too much strain will break lines/fittings - not just on your boat but on theirs - and once you've lost the tow you've got a buggers muddle to sort it all out and start again.
Always apply power steadily and be prepared to cut it.

once far enough out to cope with the drift you should then swap the tow line to a bridle on the stern - I don't know about your boat, but I never trusted the cleats alone - I took the line up to the winches too - just spreading the load.

Stopping - as you've found out - you can't just stop! You have to do everything more slowly ...

Anyway - well done on your rescue - I think you learn far more boat handling during rescues than anywhen else :)
 
The best bit was: everyone got off safely and there was just some minor damage to property. Easy to do things differently in retrospect, but that seems like an excellent result to me.
 
The best bit was: everyone got off safely and there was just some minor damage to property. Easy to do things differently in retrospect, but that seems like an excellent result to me.

+1, bloody good job done. :encouragement:
 
I presume that the other boat had no anchor? Otherwise why was it not deployed? Not really a question for you, but one that should be asked of them.

Although with hindsight there's invariably something different you could have done, you effectively saved them and their boat from serious damage, whilst at the same time causing you to damage your own boat. I've towed other boats both alongside and with a bridle, in anything but flat calm conditions towing alongside is at best unpleasant and at worst, downright dangerous. I too found out the hard way!

Just out of interest, when you later spoke to the owner of the other boat in QAB did he offer to make good the damage caused to your Rodman? Or are you putting it down to experience? A tennis ball sized sent in your Grp doesn't sound good. On the bright side, did you catch any fish?
 
I commend you for your actions however, in hindsight I would have left the stranded boat seeing as no one was going to get hurt. In those conditions it's just too dangerous to try a rescue. If lives were in danger then you have to do everything you can think of but if it's just property and the situation presents too many risks then leave well alone.
Good post as this will help all of us in a possibly similar situation as we are all complacent to a certain extent, so this sort of event will help focus our minds next time and give us a reference point.

As many people say, it's easy to comment on this forum and try and be 'teacher' but in a real live situation panic can take over.
 
An interesting tale and as with any tricky situation reflection and hindsight are good to identify the learning points. On this note thanks for sharing because everyone who reads this will take something from your experience. Well done! :)
 
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Excellent reaction and well done. Yes, others will say should / could, but only you were on scene and only you could make the decisions you did.

With my CG hat on, I'd have been very happy that the situation you discovered warranted a mayday relay call.
 
Thanks for the supportive posts.

On more reflection I should have relayed the call to CG, we had 5 mins travelling time and that was when I could have relayed without delaying anything. If CG had said "If everyone is safe, stay clear, stand by and we will send the ISL" I wouldn't have felt the urge to try to save the boat.

We did have all the lines aboard to make up a bridle and long tow line, though we don't have floating line. What we hadn't done was practice it which we will now (both to tow from the stern and to be towed from the bow).

The Larson owner is an experienced boater. He had taken the boat out the evening before for a good run to make sure all was well after winter storage, before he had any passengers aboard. The kids had jackets and he took a handheld VHF as well as mobiles etc. He has insisted on paying for repairs, I wouldn't have pressed it, but happy he offered. He emailed this morning to check how things were going, so all in, a nice chap.
 
Well done kcrane it's so easy to say what we all would have done now,
But you were there at the time and helped out the best you could no body was hurt slight damage to boats but you stepped up and helped when needed again WELL DONE
 
I commend you for your actions however, in hindsight I would have left the stranded boat seeing as no one was going to get hurt.

In hindsight, I'd have given it a go, rigging a bridle tow line on the way (probably getting SWMBO to drive while I did the rope work). Or at least thinking it through, if the boat isn't one you can move around on under way (I don't know your boat). Take the line to the bow, to keep the stern gear furthest from the shore. Plan to throw or float (on a fender) the line down from a safeish distance off, then reverse out to nearly the full length of it before turning round and taking the strain. Tying up alongside wouldn't even enter my head.

But that's with 20:20 hindsight, and in the heat of the moment things never happen like that. So absolutely no criticism intended for how it actually turned out.

Pete
 
Excellent reaction and well done. Yes, others will say should / could, but only you were on scene and only you could make the decisions you did.

With my CG hat on, I'd have been very happy that the situation you discovered warranted a mayday relay call.

Firstly, well done to the OP. No casualties, therefore a success.

Its interesting that channelyacht confirmed that a mayday would have in fact been in order. I was thinking the same with a boat and crew on rocks. But, I wasn't there and the OP dealt with it admirably.
 
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Thanks for the supportive posts.

On more reflection I should have relayed the call to CG, we had 5 mins travelling time and that was when I could have relayed without delaying anything. If CG had said "If everyone is safe, stay clear, stand by and we will send the ISL" I wouldn't have felt the urge to try to save the boat.

We did have all the lines aboard to make up a bridle and long tow line, though we don't have floating line. What we hadn't done was practice it which we will now (both to tow from the stern and to be towed from the bow).

The Larson owner is an experienced boater. He had taken the boat out the evening before for a good run to make sure all was well after winter storage, before he had any passengers aboard. The kids had jackets and he took a handheld VHF as well as mobiles etc. He has insisted on paying for repairs, I wouldn't have pressed it, but happy he offered. He emailed this morning to check how things were going, so all in, a nice chap.

One thing on approaching the Larson.
It seems from your description that you were approaching a lee shore.
You probably did it instinctively but on our safety boat courses we always taught the coxswain to plan his exit before going in.
They were taught all kinds of other stuff but IMO this was the best advice.
It is very easy to make the situation worse and then having two boats to rescue.
They were always taught to remain assertive - and have an emergency exit strategy planned before going in.
As I say, this is mostly instinctive but it is worth running it through your mind if you ever find yourself in this kind of situation again.
 
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