Red Diesel ..Shut up

[jimi]

Suggest that if you wish to enjoy the priviledge of virtually tax free diesel (as perceived by wee Jennie who has to fill up her diesel Peut 206 to get to work to pay the mortgage and childminder) then the best thing to do is be quiet and not bring it to anyone's attention. IMHO writing to MPs and such like is liable to be counter productive.

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[Moose]

Aye, I tatally agree wit yer Jimi.

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[BrendanS]

and the same perspective from fuel berth attendant on Hamble when I filled up with petrol on Hamble on Sat. Diesel boat owners in his opinion are all extra wealthy, and pointing out to him that I knew people whose boating would be curtailed by rise in price was countered by the fact that he knew most of them were wealthy cos they had logos on their clothes, but he had to buy things without logos. QED, arguement won't be carried by populace....but what's that got to do with politics?

No one ever won a battle by worrying what the public think!

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[Romeo]

Logos

I propose a tax clothing logos with a particularly punitive levy on camel coloured tartan. that should keep your petrol attendant happy.

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[Aardee]

At last...the voice of reason, thanks Jimi.



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[ParaHandy]

thocht whole problem was that wee jennie has illicit red diesel in her tank already ....

nivver underestimate the voracious appetite of the Treasury fer oor siller ..

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[TrueBlue]

Jimi, yur stretegy has some merit, were it not for the fact that it is not Blair / Brown who might make us pay more, but those even worse unaccountable people in Brussels who have said we must comply with their Directive.

In their Municifence they have said We'll make an exception until 31/12/2006 to give you time to get your act together, then, sorry Mon Ami, you will have to pay up just like our poor disadvantaged continental brothers.

But, But, (we British boaters cry) we would be paying twice what the rest of the EU pay - and the whole point of the Directive is Harmonisation???

Zut Alors, that's your problem fou Anglais. go and burn some sheep, that's what we do.....

Anybody inrterested in a large BBQ sometime late summer when the New Season's lamb is available?

If no action is taken an increase is a done deal, becuase the derogation ends, fini, caput.

Red Diesel, (sorry Marked Gas Oil) will disappear (not be available for purchase) except for heating and registered Commercial users. It is unlikely for administrative and production reasons that a mid priced fuel will be available, so that everybody else You, me, farmers?, builders, any business needing small quantities of MGO will have nowhere to go for their supplies - and so will have to buy pump fuel - exactly as we do now for petrol. That last issue slid in so many years ago that no-one noticed, or even remembers.

Are you aware that if I heat my house with Gas Oil, my supplier (under penalty of the Tower from C&E) must monitor my usage, look carefully at my storage, and report any discrepancy. (No such rules for kerosene - which is the normal fuel). It was said that this was to stop me using MGO in my car - which is petrol fuelled anyway. I resent this BB (Broad Brush or Big Brother) approach much, much more than havinf to pay more for fuel!

The EU directive and discussion documents have been clear on fuel for road use as well as marking (sic) pleasure boaters for 'special treatment', bul has said not a lot about all the other users of non-road fuel diesel.

There is one small ray of hope in that new(er) EU members have applied for derogation; perhaps we might be able to coat-tail on that.

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[AlexL]

to pick up on a teeny point (which could turn into rather a large point)

<<It is unlikely for administrative and production reasons that a mid priced fuel will be available .....and so will have to buy pump fuel >>

Most pump fuel is low or ultra low sulphur which is going to play merry hell with the 'agrigultural' fuel pumps on most marine diesel engines - lack of lubricity in the fuel being the problem - modern car engines having fancy bearings in the pumps to overcome this issue.

I think the fuel additive and replacement Fuel injection pump business could look quite good in 2006!



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[Col]

I have deliberately not posted on the thread of SimonJ as I feel it was designed to throw fuel on the fire (pun intended) of the great Raggie V Stinkie slanging match. I can't think of any reason otherwise.

I felt quite sad when I saw this, having met so many raggies at the Mercury bash who were really nice people. It is a shame a few like to stir things up.

There are good and bad in both camps, a little support for fellow boaters would be nice.
In the future, if, as some people are predicting, mobos move abroad / sell up / not use their boats so much, there will be fewer of us to stand together on other impending legislations.

Suppose for example, compulsory registration comes in and it costs for arguments sake £2,500 to register your boat then £150 P/A to "tax" it.
So many raggies in that thread were of the opinion that mobos are rich types who won't / shouldn't worry about fuel costs (and I'm not rich) presumably these same mobos won't worry about a few thousand a year to register? No? What about your average raggie? Would he be happy paying? Who would he look for support from then?
Maybe the situation of raggies being priced off the water? (Equally an unpleasant thought) It's the old divide & concur routine.

If we can't support each other who knows what lurks around the corner.
I am of the opinion if you don't want to support your fellow water user, then don't actively try and stir things up. Don't forget, Light dues are already being talked about, Or, shall I start a thread advocating the payment of light dues. We all use nav marks so I can't think of a good reason not to pay!! See what I mean??

I know of one boater who would have been charged 10,000 euros to keep his boat in France because of some new registration tax coming into force.
It could happen here!!
What about boat "MOT's? No sorry sir, your rigging needs replacing and you have worn sails. Your anchor chain is rusted to excess!!
We will all need each other then.



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[Andrew_Fanner]

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What about boat "MOT's? No sorry sir, your rigging needs replacing and you have worn sails. Your anchor chain is rusted to excess!!
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We already have that, its called the Boat Safety Scheme.

Sorry, the drain plug as supplied in your fuel filter must not be plastic. But a bolt that fits is OK.

Actually most of it seemed very sensible, especially when you take into accoount exterem cases and the potential daftness of hirers. Whoops, sounds like approval of some "testing" and bureaucracy... expect flames...



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[KevB]

??? "priviledge of virtually tax free diesel" What a load of tosh..... Can't believe you (along with many other Yotties) think it's a priviledge not to be Taxed!!
The mind boggles.

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[jimi]

Read the initial post .. its wee Jennie's perception .. whether its true or not!

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[KevB]

Blood boiling and red mist makes reading difficult. Sorry!!

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[Col]

Andrew.
Very aware of the BSS, and have seen the level of boats on the Thames (a couple of miles from where I live) drop because of it, bearing in mind not many raggies on non tidal Thames
This is exactly my point. If you had a sea safety scheme it would hit the raggies just as hard, if not harder than anyone else as they have more "bits to inspect over & above a mobo, eg, Keel bolts, mast, sails, rigging etc:

If you apply the same formula of what the BSS has done for rivers, think what would happen with a Sea BSS.

This is why everyone should stop getting so het up and stop trying to score points off each other.


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[Mike21]

Just think Col,
If the raggies want to support tax hike on red diesel, then we could support light dues being brought in as it won't affect most mobo's as most of us would be unlikely to be able to afford to go far enough to make use of any nav aids/forums/images/icons/smile.gif
( Only joking about supporting light dues )
On more serious note, must agree that almost all the raggies I've met are friendly people, and it's a shame that after all the effort that goes in to try and get both raggies and mobo's to be more considerate off each other there's always a few that seem to try and stir it up again

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