Red diesel fight lost!

I think there would be little public sympathy....

I quote a recent comment by Guapa....

"they think we are rich because we own a yacht..... they don't realise we are poor because we own a yacht"...

Generally, IMHO, the public equate boat with rich, rightly or wrongly...
 
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I think there would be little public sympathy....

I quote a recent comment by Guapa....

"they think we are rich because we own a yacht..... they don't realise we are poor because we own a yacht"...

Generally, IMHO, the public equate boat with rich, rightly or wrongly...

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I guess it depends on what your parameters are don't it Neil?

What is rich, and what is poor? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif At the extreem end of either it's very easy to define, but around about the middle, not so easy??

Naaaa, lets not go there /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I doubt that twin diesel boats depreciated 30% today. As Rick says, what's the price difference between here & the med? None. Do cars drop in value when fuel goes up? No. So all this depreciation thing is bollox in my opinion. Fuel costs are ralatively low in the boat running costs stakes.

However, I suspect that peeps that are passionate about their boating will continue to use theirs boats, but may give the overnighting in a marina and the meal in a restaurant a miss, and instead enjoy a night on the pick with barbie on the beach etc etc. So it's the marinas & restaurants etc that will lose out.
 
"The EC only specifies a minimum rate of tax, which is considerably lower than the rate charged on petrol and diesel in the UK. However, it is very unlikely that a new band will be created specifically for marine users, so the duty will almost certainly rise from the current 7.69p per litre to 48.35p per litre."

Just dragged this off of MBMs red alert news update page

makes sad reading!
 
>I doubt that twin diesel boats depreciated 30% today

Hope not, but this has to have some effect on the bottom end of the market (i.e. older boats in quieter areas), where owners can just about afford to run them today, this could be the final nail in the coffin.

dv.
 
If that happens then it will have always been the case that the government wanted it - they can hardly apply to extend derogation then having had that refused put even more than the EU demands on it!!!!! .... I hope ...
 
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"The EC only specifies a minimum rate of tax, which is considerably lower than the rate charged on petrol and diesel in the UK. However, it is very unlikely that a new band will be created specifically for marine users, so the duty will almost certainly rise from the current 7.69p per litre to 48.35p per litre."

Just dragged this off of MBMs red alert news update page

makes sad reading!

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the sad reading is that this these words as written really do match the thread title - fight's over.........

it should be completely the opposite NOW

whilst it was difficult to argue with HM gov re derogation simply because it was essentially an EU decision the implementation is entirely in the hands of HM Gov so fighting to retain red at EU minimum duty levels is a fight that can be won...........and could be a win win as well.

So why have even the boating press given up when their hour really calls???????????????????????????????

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If you combine the effects of:-
1. People not moving up or changing boats
2. Fewer people entering boating
3. People choosing to buy and stay abroad
4. People not returning to the UK
5. reduced usage


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REDUCED DEMAND = LOWER BERTHING FEES
 
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So why have even the boating press given up when their hour really calls???????????????????????????????

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I'm speaking to the minister responsible on Monday. I'll certainly be putting that point to him, so we haven't given up quite yet...
 
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I keep highlighting to people in work how individuals will live quietly accepting 'losses' into which they have drifted, evolved etc (overpayments, poor value etc) but it only takes a small trigger to get them to reconsider something and they end up reviewing everything!

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Yes indeed - a small trigger that causes the major review. AKA the straw that broke the camel's back. And that is exactly where I am with living and working in the UK right now.
 
Not really news, this was always a dead duck! Not music to my ears but I resigned myself to it a long time ago. The continuance of the derrogation was a non-runner from day one.

Guys we are either in the EU or we are not, as we are in we should just put up with it and stop moaning - why should French, Italian, Spanish and German boaters have to pay it as they have done for years, and why should we be made an exception! No logic, but very immotive as big brother EU appears to be bashing us, they are not, they are just leveling the pitch.

Don't flame me, I'm as fed up about having to pay more for fuel as the rest, but understand the logic and fairness. This is the 'green' era when Brown and the EU is going to increase carbon taxes, tax flying and hit suvs, etc, how could they do a 180 for a tiny group like us. I always thought the MBM "Save Red" was just a presentation excercise and never had any chance!
 
>French, Italian, Spanish and German boaters have to pay it
But French, Italian, Spanish and German boaters have lower local levels of fuel taxation. They don't pay £1/litre.

dv.
 
He should be putting the point to you!
Otherwise why did they even bother applying for the continuation of derogation?

There is clearly no time to change pumps bla bal.

The only real option is to continue with red and have a claim back for commercial users. If they charged the full raod fuel level then the commercial users would also be very hard hit in cash flow terms - in effect lending the goverment a lot of capital for a year!

Also if they charge full whack - they will really stuff the industry and revenue would really drop.

Ask him how partial commercial partical private boats are to operate?

Will you report back on here?
 
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Fuel costs are ralatively low in the boat running costs stakes.
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Cock of the highest, indeed NuLabour, order. Only true if you have a large, immobile, vessel in an expensive marina. Different if you have a cheap mooring and use the boat as often as possible.
 
Did the French accept all the EU terms when they burnt the UK sheep wagons?

The French flout EU lawa all the time.

I too always thought we would not get derogation extended but I want to fight like hell now to limit the rise to the minimum EU level.

I aslo want to use my vote in future to ensure that the EU is changed. It may have no effect but its better than sitting back accepting their rubbish time after time.

Its little more than a nice club for failed UK politicians.

My local MP never even bothered responding.
 
I tend to agree about the save our red campaign, but if we end up paying road prices for diesel then we'll be paying significantly more than almost all our European cousins.
 
Yep Simon

I agree with Gludy
Particularly the bit about commercial users reclaiming the tax if it were to be charged at all points of delivery.
Just think of the cash impact on farmers particularly those smaller ones who use red diesel on the land for tractors and land management machinery.
Will they be expected to fund the extra cash?
Ask him that - please!!!
Oh yes - and try and get an answer from him - not some silly woffle.
 
Re: On a slightly tenuous link........

"40% tax relief" ........
Notice one or two neat other little pension tax wheezes have been culled.
 
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