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With boats of that age (albeit they're all much younger than mine), I would suggest the choice would best be made primarily on condition, equipment, and presentation.

Any of those designs could be great boats to own, but a nightmare if they've been neglected/abused, etc.

I find that it's only when I'm on a particular boat that I get a positive and/or negative 'gut reaction'*, and that usually makes a decision easy.

(*Literally, the way some boats smell!)
 

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Thank you so much for your replies…. definitely some food for thought. We will be sailing around the East Coast, based in the Orwell and hopefully over to the Netherlands/France when we’re allowed to…
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Welcome to the forums!

If the 1992 Hallberg-Rassy still has the original teak decks, walk away unless you can get a price reduction of around £25K to contribute towards the cost of replacing them.
Please bear in mind that most people would not put back a teak deck for all kinds of reasons including the price. Artificial teak decks are pretty good (I now have one called Flexiteek) and cost far less per metre of boat.
 

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Please bear in mind that most people would not put back a teak deck for all kinds of reasons including the price. Artificial teak decks are pretty good (I now have one called Flexiteek) and cost far less per metre of boat.
Really rude question…. but roughly how much would it cost to ’re-deck’ a boat in Flexiteek..??
 

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Thank you so much for your replies…. definitely some food for thought. We will be sailing around the East Coast, based in the Orwell and hopefully over to the Netherlands/France when we’re allowed to…
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Really rude question…. but roughly how much would it cost to ’re-deck’ a boat in Flexiteek..??
It's not just the cost of the materials. IMO 5mm nominal synthetic teak is not massively different in price from 9mm profiled quarter sawn teak sold by Robbins Timber ) - at least prior to 2021 where teak prices have shot up 40%+ (prior to 2021 thicker 1/4 sawn teak lumber from another quality source was a lot cheaper but you have to saw & profile it yourself). Like everything it's the cost of the removal of the old teak decking and fittings, the disassembly & reassembly of furniture below decks because of those deck fittings, repair of the GRP deck and fairing, fitting, caulking etc that makes renewal (at yard rates) so expensive. Early 2020 I was quoted c£9k for a swept Flexiteek deck on a Nauticat 36 (about 18 sqm) - and that was with me removing the original teak, fairing and then laying the deck myself (and there was no internal disassembly of the interior required). I don't think the price was unfair as, after visiting the deck manufacture's premises I could understand where a lot of the cost comes from as the Flexiteek is constructed/assembled almost as labouriously as a teak deck with individual planks being welded together plus all the templating/cutting for shaped margins and snapes.

But, as I've said before on the forum, if your deck is not faired properly prior to laying the relatively thin synthetic teak every hump and bump and deck distortion stands out (especially around chainplates). To my eyes, a badly faired synthetic deck just sticks out a mile off - often looking like a heat distorted railway track, and in my view, it's money not well spent. However, the decks that are faired with care and laid properly look very good - so for a professionally fitted proper job I'm guessing at least £18-20k if they did it all it start to finish - that's based on a Benny 36ft yacht I knew who had an excellent job done by a yard in Ipswich in 2019.

There is a great thread by Hurricane on the Motor Boat forum about laying your own synthetic teak deck - worth a read. He's done a brilliant job.
DIY Synthetic Teak

BTW back in 2014 my wife and I stripped our original 1980s teak deck and replaced it with new (old grown) teak on our 39' yacht (not the Nauticat 36 as above). It was one huge job as we did all the work and it took quite some time and effort but the result was excellent and looks factory laid - it cost us c£6k all in (that's including machinery, importing the special epoxy deck adhesive and caulking from the USA). But, count in our labour at yard rates then whoosh - mucho, mucho dinero. I'd do it again.

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It's not just the cost of the materials. IMO 5mm nominal synthetic teak is not massively different in price from 9mm profiled quarter sawn teak sold by Robbins Timber ) - at least prior to 2021 where teak prices have shot up 40%+ (prior to 2021 thicker 1/4 sawn teak lumber from another quality source was a lot cheaper but you have to saw & profile it yourself). Like everything it's the cost of the removal of the old teak decking and fittings, the disassembly & reassembly of furniture below decks because of those deck fittings, repair of the GRP deck and fairing, fitting, caulking etc that makes renewal (at yard rates) so expensive. Early 2020 I was quoted c£9k for a swept Flexiteek deck on a Nauticat 36 (about 18 sqm) - and that was with me removing the original teak, fairing and then laying the deck myself (and there was no internal disassembly of the interior required). I don't think the price was unfair as, after visiting the deck manufacture's premises I could understand where a lot of the cost comes from as the Flexiteek is constructed/assembled almost as labouriously as a teak deck with individual planks being welded together plus all the templating/cutting for shaped margins and snapes.

But, as I've said before on the forum, if your deck is not faired properly prior to laying the relatively thin synthetic teak every hump and bump and deck distortion stands out (especially around chainplates). To my eyes, a badly faired synthetic deck just sticks out a mile off - often looking like a heat distorted railway track, and in my view, it's money not well spent. However, the decks that are faired with care and laid properly look very good - so for a professionally fitted proper job I'm guessing at least £18-20k if they did it all it start to finish - that's based on a Benny 36ft yacht I knew who had an excellent job done by a yard in Ipswich in 2019.

There is a great thread by Hurricane on the Motor Boat forum about laying your own synthetic teak deck - worth a read. He's done a brilliant job.
DIY Synthetic Teak

BTW back in 2014 my wife and I stripped our original 1980s teak deck and replaced it with new (old grown) teak on our 39' yacht (not the Nauticat 36 as above). It was one huge job as we did all the work and it took quite some time and effort but the result was excellent and looks factory laid - it cost us c£6k all in (that's including machinery, importing the special epoxy deck adhesive and caulking from the USA). But, count in our labour at yard rates then whoosh - mucho, mucho dinero. I'd do it again.

HTH
Thank you! Really interesting…. and a a bit terrifying.
 

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Really rude question…. but roughly how much would it cost to ’re-deck’ a boat in Flexiteek..??
My boat is 40ft long and the new Flexiteek was done 2 years ago by a yard on the South Coast. They did the entire job for me. It cost about £14,000 plus VAT. The estimate for a new teak deck was nearly £37,000 plus VAT
So far, I am very happy with the result as the old teak deck was starting to leak and was a nightmare to maintain.
 

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Please bear in mind that most people would not put back a teak deck for all kinds of reasons including the price. Artificial teak decks are pretty good (I now have one called Flexiteek) and cost far less per metre of boat.

You also need to bear in mind that Hallberg-Rassy yachts are built with teak decks as standard, not as an optional extra. Because of that, the vast majority of HR buyers would only contemplate a HR boat without teak if it was offered at a significantly lower price. So, replacing a worn teak deck on a Hallberg-Rassy with fake teak would probably drop the value by about the same amount as the saving in fake teak vs real teak. Additionally, fake teak on a Hallberg-Rassy would make it difficult to re-sell.

This argument doesn't apply to most other makes of boat. I owned a Hallberg-Rassy for almost 20 years and only sold it because I couldn't bring myself to spend the enormous amount of money which would soon have needed spending to replace the teak deck. Hallberg-Rassy use narrower teak planks than most makers, so the labour involved in working on the deck is much greater than with most other teak-decked boats.
 

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An HR 36 from ‘92 will be the earlier ‘Classic’ version without the sugar scoop stern. Although less good-looking, it has some advantages. The HR 36 is probably the best go-anywhere boat of its size and I would always feel safe in any weather. If you can get a boat at the right price, it would be a safe choice. It is not a fast boat around the buoys but can maintain a good speed on passage.
 

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If you HAD to buy one of these…. which would you go for?

Moody 35 1992
Dufour 365 2006
Hallberg Rassy 36 1992

I’ve researched around in ever decreasing circles and now just want someone to tell me what to do!?
Thank you!
I viewed a Moody 35 before buying my Moody 336. OK the 336 was less expensive, but I didn't feel very secure on the steps between the cabin and the cockpit in the 35. Not an issue unless at sea and heeled, but there seemed very little to stop one falling to either side in the 35. In my 336 there was a longitudinal/vertical bulkhead on either side you could lean against and almost slide up/down! The 35 had fresh air...
Moody 336 video. Moody 35 video.
If you want to do serious sailing, as I did, it might be a consideration... I know nothing about the Dufour 365 or the HR 36!!!!!
 

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I viewed a Moody 35 before buying my Moody 336. OK the 336 was less expensive, but I didn't feel very secure on the steps between the cabin and the cockpit in the 35. Not an issue unless at sea and heeled, but there seemed very little to stop one falling to either side in the 35. In my 336 there was a longitudinal/vertical bulkhead on either side you could lean against and almost slide up/down! The 35 had fresh air...
Moody 336 video. Moody 35 video.
If you want to do serious sailing, as I did, it might be a consideration... I know nothing about the Dufour 365 or the HR 36!!!!!

I had forgotten how wonderful the Moody's are inside for their size. I change my vote to a Moody!
 

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. The HR 36 is probably the best go-anywhere boat of its size
Has to be a hr owner to think that . :rolleyes:
The rustler 36 interior joinery and attention to detail is superior, the overall build and offshore sailing quality is widely acknowledged as one of the best so how is the hr better?
 

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Has to be a hr owner to think that . :rolleyes:
The rustler 36 interior joinery and attention to detail is superior, the overall build and offshore sailing quality is widely acknowledged as one of the best so how is the hr better?

From memory, a Rustler 36 is smaller than a HR36 in every way except LOA. So "of its size" can do some lifting here.
 

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Has to be a hr owner to think that . :rolleyes:
The rustler 36 interior joinery and attention to detail is superior, the overall build and offshore sailing quality is widely acknowledged as one of the best so how is the hr better?
The OP wants the boat for coastal cruising on the East Coast and maybe over the North Sea. Any of the boats on the list would be fine that brief - and they seem to all major on cruising accommodation. Of course your suggested Rustler would also suit (apart from the accommodation) but so would many other designs that are not on the list! Hardly surprising as their requirements form the core of the UK market in this size range.
 

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I wasn't suggesting a rustler as a contender as the op has already shortlisted the 3 boats that interest them. It was more questioning why some people think a hr is always a better boat when from what I've seen its built using the same mass production techniques as a bavaria.
 

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Personally, I would probably buy the Dufour. A more modern boat with more space and accommodation. Much newer and more modern systems and engine. Probably faster and better-handling too.
 
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