Proposal for PWC (aka jetski) pontoon parking at Brightlingsea

[DownWest]

Explain to me why human beings are not part of nature. If so what they do is also part of the natural world

Why should anybody need to explain to you why a few misguided people make the use of public spaces a misery for others?

We have lots of them here, but they have to be registered and insured. I have not seen any objectionable use. When I lived further south, abuse was commonplace, rules ignored and accidents happened.

 

[oldgit]

The noise issue can be likened to being on land. Places are getting busier with people going about their business, whether thats for work or fun. If I want peace and quiet, I wont find it in the town centre. I have to go out in the country, and even then it wont be total. On the water you wont find peace and quiet in and around harbours, estuaries, or anywhere where boaters of all persuasions can easily gather. Go 10 miles offshore and I pretty much guarantee you wont be disturbed by a PWC. Go 100 miles offshore and I doubt the MOBOs will bother you either. Everyone thinks that they have rights to things that they actually don't. I could claim a right to be able to enjoy using my MOBO in a straight line without the hassle of having to weave around yotties, but that would be ridiculous. We have to live with each other, whether that is cyclists and car drivers, MOBOs and yotties or PWCs and all other water users. We all have the right to use the water and, as much as yotties, PWCs and even other MOBOs wind me up at times, I have to accept that they are part and parcel of being on the water. If you demand peace and quiet, I'm afraid its up to you to go and find it, and not expect others to stop living their lives so that you can have it. It is also unreasonable to expect everyone else to conduct themselves to your standards, so you have to expect some to act in ways that you find unacceptable. You won't change that, so you have to learn to live with it.

+1 Providing the PWC guys with a decent launch site also gives the ability to explain why other folks do not have very high opinion of them and what they can do about it, if they want too ! Large board announcing PWC protocol regards other water users at the slip head could be a start. Some will of course ignore the advice but would suggest a bunch of fellow PWC owners telling some miscreant to pack it in would have far more effect than a red faced sailor hopping up and down ? Nudge politics ...

 

[Bigplumbs]

Why should anybody need to explain to you why a few misguided people make the use of public spaces a misery for others?

We have lots of them here, but they have to be registered and insured. I have not seen any objectionable use. When I lived further south, abuse was commonplace, rules ignored and accidents happened.

Is here France........................ If so that explains it

 

[Triassic]

Is here France........................ If so that explains it

Could you expand on that please, I'm not familiar with the position in France?

 

[oldgit]

Could you expand on that please, I'm not familiar with the position in France?

Possibly one of the ............."Fog in Channel, Continent cut off " ? Brigade.

 

[Triassic]

Possibly one of the ............."Fog in Channel, Continent cut off " ? Brigade.

Actually I wondered if he thought the French may not apparently have issues with objectionable behaviour because they were more regulated, or if the French better behaved naturally, or perhaps he was commenting on the later part of Down West's post and suggesting the South of France is more prone to abuse and accidents..... His comment could have meant almost anything which is why I was asking him to explain it.

 

[oldgit]

Actually I wondered if he thought the French may not apparently have issues with objectionable behaviour because they were more regulated, or if the French better behaved naturally, or perhaps he was commenting on the later part of Down West's post and suggesting the South of France is more prone to abuse and accidents..... His comment could have meant almost anything which is why I was asking him to explain it.

I was followed and told off in no uncertain terms by beach guard when I transgressed a beach prohibited area with a inflateable in Spain.They take things very seriously down there ...and will do something about it. Went and picked up couple of guests who had been to visit the beach did not use the bouyed route.

 

[Tomahawk]

Explain to me why human beings are not part of nature. If so what they do is also part of the natural world

Humans stopped being part of nature when they stopped hunter gathering and began to till the soil. ... but such a debate should be in the lounge or not there depending on your preference.

 

[Daydream believer]

Actually the idea of a pontoon is good in that it is a collection/meeting point whereby the river baliff or the water fuzz can attend & if anyone is found to be making a nuisance of themselves it will be easier for them to have a quiet word. There are not so many launch sites so it could be well attended & make it worth while the fuzz being there a bit more often. Knowing they can be about will make users a bit more careful It will also give the harbour master a chance to remind users of their obligations prior to launching, along with a reminder that use will be withdrawn if anyone is seen to be an idiot. It does not have to be issued in the form of threats but normally gentle reminders & notice of where the speed restrictions are can help with the average user. Regular users can soon get to know the harbour master & may tend to be more careful rather than just turning up on a beach & blasting off

 

[Daydream believer]

The noise issue can be likened to being on land. Places are getting busier with people going about their business, whether thats for work or fun. If I want peace and quiet, I wont find it in the town centre. I have to go out in the country, and even then it wont be total. On the water you wont find peace and quiet in and around harbours, estuaries, or anywhere where boaters of all persuasions can easily gather. Go 10 miles offshore and I pretty much guarantee you wont be disturbed by a PWC. Go 100 miles offshore and I doubt the MOBOs will bother you either. Everyone thinks that they have rights to things that they actually don't. I could claim a right to be able to enjoy using my MOBO in a straight line without the hassle of having to weave around yotties, but that would be ridiculous. We have to live with each other, whether that is cyclists and car drivers, MOBOs and yotties or PWCs and all other water users. We all have the right to use the water and, as much as yotties, PWCs and even other MOBOs wind me up at times, I have to accept that they are part and parcel of being on the water. If you demand peace and quiet, I'm afraid its up to you to go and find it, and not expect others to stop living their lives so that you can have it. It is also unreasonable to expect everyone else to conduct themselves to your standards, so you have to expect some to act in ways that you find unacceptable. You won't change that, so you have to learn to live with it.

Whilst there is a lot of sense in what you say it does not give anyone the right to to ignore the feelings of those around them. True people are entitled to live their lives but not at the detriment of the quality of life of others. I would quote, just for example, playing radios at high volume. By all means listen to the radio , but not force it on all & sundry. A simple example but I am sure you get the idea. There has to be an acceptable balance. The problem is finding that balance.

 

[Daydream believer]

On the question of wash. -- I would suggest that some small dinghies are just as bad as large MOBOS. This year I have had a fortnight in Ostend, as I do every year,. Every time Simon ( Robert was as bad) charges across the harbour in his damned inflatable tender (which is about 8 ft long!!!) to assist some yacht, it sets every yacht rolling violently. More than once I have been caught unawares & spilt my wine or stumbled in the cabin when I have failed to hear him coming.

 

[Bigplumbs]

On the question of wash. -- I would suggest that some small dinghies are just as bad as large MOBOS. This year I have had a fortnight in Ostend, as I do every year,. Every time Simon ( Robert was as bad) charges across the harbour in his damned inflatable tender (which is about 8 ft long!!!) to assist some yacht, it sets every yacht rolling violently. More than once I have been caught unawares & spilt my wine or stumbled in the cabin
when I have failed to hear him coming.

Spilt your wine. My goodness that is a disaster you should be more considerate to others and not drink wine on a craft that could move if others happen to go past it.

Also drinking wine is bad for society it leads to drunken behaviour which upsets others, and of course the burden on the NHS from Alcohol related illness means that other innocent peoples lives are affected and they have to pay higher taxes just because you feel you have a right to drink despite the burden it places on others.

Perhaps a little thought before you post would be a good idea

 

[PaulRainbow]

Perhaps a little thought before you post would be a good idea

Sadly the forum won't allow me to post a zillion smilies

 

[Daydream believer]

Spilt your wine. My goodness that is a disaster you should be more considerate to others and not drink wine on a craft that could move if others happen to go past it. Perhaps a little thought before you post would be a good idea

It was meant to be educational: for those who have not been to a Belgium port yet. One has to drink the wine as their beer is not up to the standard expected by a British pub dweller; unless consumed in copious quantity. Then who really cares what it tastes like--- until it comes up again........................But then , being a MOBO man...............you would probably know all about that!!!!!!

 

[Blue Sunray]

It was meant to be educational: for those who have not been to a Belgium port yet. One has to drink the wine as their beer is not up to the standard expected by a British pub dweller; unless consumed in copious quantity.

Are you sure you were in Belgium? I can't recall anyone anywhere before contend that their wine was decent or their beer poor.

 

[johnalison]

Are you sure you were in Belgium? I can't recall anyone anywhere before contend that their wine was decent or their beer poor.

I've never tried Belgian wine, though I have had a wine from Luxemberg, which was repulsive. Belgian draught beer is mostly europiss, indistinguishable from the stuff drunk by juveniles in our pubs, but you might be lucky enough to find real Belgian beers on draught, such as the Trappists, sour beers such as Rodenbach, and oddities such as my favourite Kasteel.

 

[Daydream believer]

I have often been in Ostend during the annual 3 day beer tasting festival. It is held in the park nearest the tram station at the top of the high street. They have beers with just about every fruit additive & other additive you could think of. I have never tasted such a load of disgusting XXXXXXX in all my life.
At least when they do a beer tasting event in the SE of England one can find something that is palatable-- Proper Job ain't bad!!!

 

[johnalison]

I have often been in Ostend during the annual 3 day beer tasting festival. It is held in the park nearest the tram station at the top of the high street. They have beers with just about every fruit additive & other additive you could think of. I have never tasted such a load of disgusting XXXXXXX in all my life.
At least when they do a beer tasting event in the SE of England one can find something that is palatable-- Proper Job ain't bad!!!

Infidel! Just as a curry isn't the same as Lancaster hotpot, Belgian beer isn't the same as ours, but it has individuality. I'm not a fan of the fruit beers, but the best are very good. Most of them, Bellevue etc, are cheap commercial imitations of the real thing, where the mash is fermented with the fruit and exposed to wild yeast. The very best brews, such as Liefmann's are fantasticly rich. If you want a knockout beer, try Liefmann's Provision Beer. My preferred style is gueuze, and again it is the quality brews that you need. And who doesn't like a decent Trappist double, or a triple after a good Belgian nosh-up?

 

[AntarcticPilot]

I have often been in Ostend during the annual 3 day beer tasting festival. It is held in the park nearest the tram station at the top of the high street. They have beers with just about every fruit additive & other additive you could think of. I have never tasted such a load of disgusting XXXXXXX in all my life.
At least when they do a beer tasting event in the SE of England one can find something that is palatable-- Proper Job ain't bad!!!

Infidel! Just as a curry isn't the same as Lancaster hotpot, Belgian beer isn't the same as ours, but it has individuality. I'm not a fan of the fruit beers, but the best are very good. Most of them, Bellevue etc, are cheap commercial imitations of the real thing, where the mash is fermented with the fruit and exposed to wild yeast. The very best brews, such as Liefmann's are fantasticly rich. If you want a knockout beer, try Liefmann's Provision Beer. My preferred style is gueuze, and again it is the quality brews that you need. And who doesn't like a decent Trappist double, or a triple after a good Belgian nosh-up?

have no experience of drinking in Belgium, but when drinking with colleagues in the Netherlands, A Norwegian colleague and I graded the beers on whether they "approached beer like qualities". I think that out of several tried, we only found one that we thought approximated beer!
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[oldgit]

One assumes the the "english" beer being so stoutly defended is the stuff that looks and tastes like the brewer finished washing up the remains of last Sundays roast in it ..........before pouring it into a barrel and slapping some daft badly spelt name on the label ?