Proposal for PWC (aka jetski) pontoon parking at Brightlingsea

Fortunately it's one person and he isn't an ECForumite.

On a bizarre note, I always loved the sound of a Seagull in an early still morning on the Blackwater.
 
tillergirl said:
On a bizarre note, I always loved the sound of a Seagull in an early still morning on the Blackwater.
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Assuming you mean the outboard they had a special kind of noise (when they worked)! If you mean the bird (add own expletives) I had quite enough of them in Boulogne and various other fishing ports this summer!
 
I don't like the noise they make. That's all. I don't like the smell of London either so I avoid it if I can when I do not need to be there. I avoid areas where there are lots of noisy PWCs. I've no problem with them or their riders, I just leisurely move on in peace when I can. I wouldn't expect London to move for me, but I still don't have to like it its smell.
 
tillergirl said:
Fortunately it's one person and he isn't an ECForumite.

On a bizarre note, I always loved the sound of a Seagull in an early still morning on the Blackwater.
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As do I, though not experienced on that particular river. I would love to be able to poodle up the crouch without being hindered by yachts getting in my way, PWC playing in my wash at 40ktns I find quite entertaining.
Others want total peace & quiet, which is sometimes nice but I wouldn't want it all the time. Live & let live, if I want to do 40 knts I go somewhere I can do it safely & without upsetting anyone, not just outside the 8knt marker.
This costs me a considerable amount of fuel to get out far enough, but I do it anyway.
If you want total peace go somewhere where it is likely to happen, not somewhere PWC are likely to be.
An example of unreasonable expectations is when we took out eldest sons girlfreinds parents from Fambridge to Burnham & back, Son was driving through the Fambridge moorings very slowly, tick over so about 4.5 knts, no more wash than a small dinghy. There was an elderly gentlemen started shouting about spilling his tea. Laura's parents, both doctors so well educated, asked what on earth he was shouting about so I explained he was being slightly over the top about our almost non existent wash. At the time we had a 43ft twin engine mobo, being driven as courteously as possible as Sam was trying to make a good impression. We didn't shout back, live & let live.
 
Yes a Seagull aka outboard. I agree the noise is noisy but it is something evocative about my first days of sailing. I always tried to go into the basin at Boulogne - avoids the Seagulls aka poopy machines.
 
rubberduck said:
As do I, though not experienced on that particular river. I would love to be able to poodle up the crouch without being hindered by yachts getting in my way, PWC playing in my wash at 40ktns I find quite entertaining.
Others want total peace & quiet, which is sometimes nice but I wouldn't want it all the time. Live & let live, if I want to do 40 knts I go somewhere I can do it safely & without upsetting anyone, not just outside the 8knt marker.
This costs me a considerable amount of fuel to get out far enough, but I do it anyway.
If you want total peace go somewhere where it is likely to happen, not somewhere PWC are likely to be.
An example of unreasonable expectations is when we took out eldest sons girlfreinds parents from Fambridge to Burnham & back, Son was driving through the Fambridge moorings very slowly, tick over so about 4.5 knts, no more wash than a small dinghy. There was an elderly gentlemen started shouting about spilling his tea. Laura's parents, both doctors so well educated, asked what on earth he was shouting about so I explained he was being slightly over the top about our almost non existent wash. At the time we had a 43ft twin engine mobo, being driven as courteously as possible as Sam was trying to make a good impression. We didn't shout back, live & let live.
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A 43 foot, twin screw, motorboat, at 4.5 knots makes no more wash than a small dinghy?

Sorry, after over 40 years in both sailing and motorboats, I think you are guilty of either wishful thinking, or of hyperbole.
 
NealB said:
A 43 foot, twin screw, motorboat, at 4.5 knots makes no more wash than a small dinghy?

Sorry, after over 40 years in both sailing and motorboats, I think you are guilty of either wishful thinking, or of hyperbole.
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Do you have a 43ft twin screw motorboat ? We have sold her to BCU so ask if you can borrow her, Absolute called Atlas, I can assure you at 4.5 knts wash is virtually zero, just a little white pattern in the water.Actually at that speed all the mobo's we have had have been similar.
 
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rubberduck said:
Do you have a 43ft twin screw motorboat ? We have sold her to BCU so ask if you can borrow her, Absolute called Atlas, I can assure you at 4.5 knts wash is virtually zero, just a little white pattern in the water.Actually at that speed all the mobo's we have had have been similar.
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Hi rubberduck, I really dont eed to drive one, to experience the wake.

For example, just this afternoon, I was rowing my 8 foot inflatable along the Twizzle. Now that's a small dinghy, and our wash was almost nonexistent. It had absolutely no discernible effect on the moored and anchored boats.

Quite a few considerate motor boats passed us at speeds that I would guess were around four to five knots. Very conscientious, civil and responsible.

I absolutely assure you that their washes were bigger, steeper, faster and incomparably more powerful than mine. They set the moored and anchored boats a-rolling, and caused me to head up into their wash.

Please don't get me wrong.... It was not life threatening, nor eally any great nuisance, but definitely more effect than a small dinghy.
 
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johnalison said:
That may be so but it doesn't answer the question as to whether having yet more jetskis in Brightlingsea would be desirable.

As for the moronic comment that sailing boats cause distress by zigzagging comparable to the effect of powered craft operated recklessly, the writer merely displays his lack of understanding.
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I rather think that you have demonstrated your lack of understanding or empathy (and arguably, arrogant pomposity) in that post.
 
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NUTMEG said:
If someone can not appreciate the noise and environmental impact of PWC and planing mobos is far greater than a sail powered craft than nothing anyone can say here is going to open their eyes to the truthl. When we used to meet socially people regulated their own on-line behaviour knowing we could very well meet face to face. Trolls hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
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As you do, still it's good of you to admit it.
 
NealB said:
Hi rubberduck, I really dont eed to drive one, to experience the wake.

For example, just this afternoon, I was rowing my 8 foot inflatable along the Twizzle. Now that's a small dinghy, and our wash was almost nonexistent. It had absolutely no discernible effect on the moored and anchored boats.

Quite a few considerate motor boats passed us at speeds that I would guess were around four to five knots. Very conscientious, civil and responsible.

I absolutely assure you that their washes were bigger, steeper, faster and incomparably more powerful than mine. They set the moored and anchored boats a-rolling, and caused me to head up into their wash.

Please don't get me wrong.... It was not life threatening, nor eally any great nuisance, but definitely more effect than a small dinghy.
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I have a pic of our wash in that boat passing under the Orwell bridge on another device, will post it when I am next where it is. In the meantime, the other Neale with the flag avitar, also runs the online boat mag has driven her & may remember, perhaps it is just an exceptional boat, I thought it was :)

At the end of the day I just get fed up with all the bickering, good & bad in all, I strive to be good !
 
Well personally I think that anyone who posts here is equally part of this forum. Personally I might favour sailing craft. But I recognise that we all have to jog along together
 
Until the PWCs bear readily identifiable marks they should not be encouraged.My experience on the East Coast FWIW:1. MOBOs have been considerate and if passing nearby have often slowed down. Certainly they have never chosen to come close at speed. The effect of their wash is probably greater than they think but the MOBOs I have met have been thinking about it and probably not a lot to be done about it as it is just an effect that cannot be changed.2. PWC: Going past W Mersea a month or so ago towards Maldon. Hear a very distressed woman on the VHF as PWCs gone through the moorings at speed and drenched her and family in their boat (I didnt get the impression they were in an Avon !) and damaged her phone etc. We saw them on their exit from Mersea but apart from colour their are not capable of identification.3.PWC - few years ago anchored at Osea and PWCs heading at our midships at speed and bearing off at the last moment but intending we should think we are going to be hit.If you put irresponsible people on a potentially dangerous craft that cannot be identified then you foster a problem. Responsible people on PWCs aren't a problem. When the evidence is that there are irresponsible people, why should we assume otherwise. With identification you could at least sort out the trouble-makers later. However, with no identification and the known existence of seriously irresponsible people, why make it easy.As a way of checking to a limited extent, what proportion of speeding tickets on the East Coast have been given to (traditional) MOBO owners? I suspect none but happy to be corrected.
 
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rubberduck said:
I have a pic of our wash in that boat passing under the Orwell bridge on another device, will post it when I am next where it is. In the meantime, the other Neale with the flag avitar, also runs the online boat mag has driven her & may remember, perhaps it is just an exceptional boat, I thought it was :)

At the end of the day I just get fed up with all the bickering, good & bad in all, I strive to be good !
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Good morning rubber duck!

She does sound like she might be an exceptional design, or perhaps I underestimate the speed of the boats I've seen.

You definitely come across as a good guy (like you, I find the constant arguing to be draining).

Cheers!
 
NealB said:
For example, just this afternoon, I was rowing my 8 foot inflatable along the Twizzle. Now that's a small dinghy, and our wash was almost nonexistent. It had absolutely no discernible effect on the moored and anchored boats.
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I also have a large MOBO and yes 4.5 knots on tick over speed gives hardly any wash at all from me. How fast were you rowing 4.5 knots. ?????? I wouldn't expect any wash from someone rowing so to say you had hardly any wash is a ridiculous statement.
 
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