FlyingGoose
Well-known member
Yes laughing all the way to the bank
and all the benefits I get from the UK tax payer too which helps me go sailing , wonderful country This Great Britain paying me all this money because I Ask for it and get it
Premier Marinas - Why haven't they furloughed staff?
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and all the benefits I get from the UK tax payer too which helps me go sailing , wonderful country This Great Britain paying me all this money because I Ask for it and get it
matt1
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They haven’t furloughed their staff because their income is unlikely to have suffered a double digit decline since it’s probably (I’m guessing) 60%+ based on annual berthing renewals. A pub, who most likely have furloughed staff, have seen a 100% decline in revenues.
laika
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You made an illogical assumption in the original post and you are entitled to believe whatever you like but it does not logically follow from the above statement. The terms of the furlough arrangements are quite clearly laid out on the HMRC website. Whatever Premier are talking about (and I being out of contract dd not receive this email) is not related to the (well documented) furlough arrangements
steveeasy
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Everyone is entitled to their own position. I wish you would crack on and ask, when you have, let us know how you have got on.!! I don't think there is a ferocious fear, just a genuine understanding that the principles of the lockdown and social distancing measures. No one wants to be ill, end up in intensive care, and the fact the death rates are sky high at present, is more than enough for the average rational person to understand your better of avoiding associated risks. you might be able to keep a wide berth on the pontoon, but fancy a shower or using any facilities is a risk some people don't want to take. Mid 50s, I would not want to get the virus and unknowingly pass it on to my partner or children. there is nothing irrational about that. what ever you think, nothing will return to normal. social distancing and the consequences of it will last for a lot longer than we think.
steveeasy
obmij
Active member
Firstly - well done Premier for not taking the piss and continuing to run a commercial operation. Obviously, events moved quickly & there was not been time for the government to legislate for every eventuality so the furlough scheme is / was very much open to abuse. Premier appear not to have have not done this. Many other, less scrupulous companies are doing just that.
Spivs, basically.
As a taxpayer I sincerely hope there will be an audit of who has taken what, and a clawback initiated if the scheme has been used in bad faith.
Secondly, no need to worry about access. Restrictions have been in place for around 3 weeks - but appear to be being lifted, with caveats, but nevertheless lifted.
Spivs, basically.
As a taxpayer I sincerely hope there will be an audit of who has taken what, and a clawback initiated if the scheme has been used in bad faith.
Secondly, no need to worry about access. Restrictions have been in place for around 3 weeks - but appear to be being lifted, with caveats, but nevertheless lifted.
FlyingGoose
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I will do . already contacted them today and I have to send them an email outlining my concerns /plans. for the future and see the outcome. one only needs to ask and not expect it or not think they deserve it . but it is my money that I spend on a service industry , IMHO my service industry is not supplying me with the service I perceive, therefore my right to address this issue. /outwith who owns the marina, I can honestly say no matter what happens they will still be in a better place than me and many others .
Some of us suffered in 2010 when another service Industry lagged on their commitments , many lost a lot of their hard earned cash , and the government bailed them out to , interesting analogue is it not
Sticky Fingers
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FlyingGoose said:
So. Now we understand. Basically you're a selfish fecker leeching what you can out of others' misfortunes. Excellent.
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migs
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Image you are sitting around the board table at Marina Towers discussing how to manage the situation during the crisis. You agree that your best initial strategy is to wait and see which way the wind is blowing in order to buy some time. Meanwhile you issue a press release pushing the caring employer angle and playing the charity connection card. After much discussion about what to do next two strategies emerge:
Don’t furlough non-working staff: The advantage of this strategy is that customer rebates or discounting won’t be needed, and come September the balance sheet will be a thing of beauty. The danger is that customers will rumble the fact that they have been had, and leave in droves
Furlough non-working staff: This approach will result in excess profits and inevitably lead to customer discounts and rebates. The balance sheet will still be in happy land, but the danger is that customers get a taste of power. A whole can of worms opens where in future they always expect some sort of deal - the cheeky things. This could go on for some time before the practice is quashed.
Of course this is all conjecture; or maybe I’ve been watching too much Succession…
Don’t furlough non-working staff: The advantage of this strategy is that customer rebates or discounting won’t be needed, and come September the balance sheet will be a thing of beauty. The danger is that customers will rumble the fact that they have been had, and leave in droves
Furlough non-working staff: This approach will result in excess profits and inevitably lead to customer discounts and rebates. The balance sheet will still be in happy land, but the danger is that customers get a taste of power. A whole can of worms opens where in future they always expect some sort of deal - the cheeky things. This could go on for some time before the practice is quashed.
Of course this is all conjecture; or maybe I’ve been watching too much Succession…
longjohnsilver
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You must live in a very remote area to be unable to have access to a telephone or email. That's how I know what the position is with the marina I'm currently berthed in.
Bobc
Well-known member
A reasonable summing-up
Bobc
Well-known member
BOk all; let’s cut to the chase:
THIS VOTE IS FOR MARINA BERTH HOLDERS ONLY
A: You would like your marina to furlough non-working staff and would appreciate a rebate
B: You do not want your marina to furlough non-working staff and do not require a rebate
NB1. Your vote will be automatically sent to your marina
NB2. Any posters who continue to regurgitate the same old stuff we’ve seen already on this thread will have their icons cut in half
Lucky Duck
Well-known member
Compare that situation with the experience of a friend - the company he works for has cut wages between 20 and 30 percent 'to ensure the long term future of the business'
All very laudable until he realised his pay cut would be passed straight on to the client - Transport for London.
I can think few less worthy recipients
Bluetack42
Member
B.
Surely everybody needs to contribute to the costs of getting through this? As a berth holder I am getting most but not all of the service I have paid for from Chichester Marina, my boat is being stored & is safe, but the lock is not being operated. My inability to drive to the marina is not their fault & neither is the reluctance to be seen out as the only boat on the water. However I would expect a smart & commercially savvy marina operator to want to engage me in a conversation about some form of rebate when this is all over, not because they had saved money but because they want me to feel I will continue to get value for money when the future lockdowns happen, as they surely will.
However as a UK tax payer I would be distraught if a perfectly well functioning business with almost guaranteed revenue had made use of the Furlough scheme, it was set up to ensure that post crisis there were jobs to come back to, not for opportunistic restructuring of the accounts.
There is however one moral hazard which Premier risk falling into, they are chugging along comfortably at the moment, heads kept well down, at the same time many businesses are starting to reopen, albeit with social distancing in place, B&Q, McDonalds, Aston Martin to name a few, none of them essential, they are all also suffering financially & so have a big incentive to get going again. Given the low infection risk of boating I would have thought that marinas would be high on the list to get going but because they are too comfortable financially I fear they will hang back & deny us the use of our craft.
I have just received my annual fee request, I don't intend to do anything yet rather wait & see, I will place much more value on a rapid re-opening, with the necessary safeguards, than any rebate. The worst situation of all will be to see people happily sailing off swinging moorings in a few of weeks time whilst still being locked into the marina, if that happens I will be gone for good.
Surely everybody needs to contribute to the costs of getting through this? As a berth holder I am getting most but not all of the service I have paid for from Chichester Marina, my boat is being stored & is safe, but the lock is not being operated. My inability to drive to the marina is not their fault & neither is the reluctance to be seen out as the only boat on the water. However I would expect a smart & commercially savvy marina operator to want to engage me in a conversation about some form of rebate when this is all over, not because they had saved money but because they want me to feel I will continue to get value for money when the future lockdowns happen, as they surely will.
However as a UK tax payer I would be distraught if a perfectly well functioning business with almost guaranteed revenue had made use of the Furlough scheme, it was set up to ensure that post crisis there were jobs to come back to, not for opportunistic restructuring of the accounts.
There is however one moral hazard which Premier risk falling into, they are chugging along comfortably at the moment, heads kept well down, at the same time many businesses are starting to reopen, albeit with social distancing in place, B&Q, McDonalds, Aston Martin to name a few, none of them essential, they are all also suffering financially & so have a big incentive to get going again. Given the low infection risk of boating I would have thought that marinas would be high on the list to get going but because they are too comfortable financially I fear they will hang back & deny us the use of our craft.
I have just received my annual fee request, I don't intend to do anything yet rather wait & see, I will place much more value on a rapid re-opening, with the necessary safeguards, than any rebate. The worst situation of all will be to see people happily sailing off swinging moorings in a few of weeks time whilst still being locked into the marina, if that happens I will be gone for good.
migs
Active member
Some posters on this thread have said that they are happy to pay for marinas not to furlough non-working staff.
That’s much like saying to your landlord: ‘don’t bother applying for those government grants (insulation etc.) as I’d be pleased to pay an additional £100 per week.’
If that’s you, you’re adorable and have restored my faith in human behaviour
That’s much like saying to your landlord: ‘don’t bother applying for those government grants (insulation etc.) as I’d be pleased to pay an additional £100 per week.’
If that’s you, you’re adorable and have restored my faith in human behaviour
matt1
Well-known member
Some posters on this thread have said that they are happy to pay for marinas not to furlough non-working staff.
That’s much like saying to your landlord: ‘don’t bother applying for those government grants (insulation etc.) as I’d be pleased to pay an additional £100 per week.’
If that’s you, you’re adorable and have restored my faith in human behaviour
Glad your faith has been restored! For me this thread has been utterly depressing in terms of the me me me attitude. Fortunately my skim reading suggests the majority seem to agree that it's morally wrong for a viable business to claim off the government just because it can and in order to give above average wage earners a discount on their leisure activity! I for one applaud Premier!
laika
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Why is everybody continuing this pointless debate when no-one has presented anything which says that Premier are not furloughing staff?
Bobc
Well-known member
Because the thread was about "should Premier furlough staff so they can pay me a partial refund".
laika
Well-known member
Which presuppose that they are not already for pure business reasons which would be non-sensical. The choice won't be "shall we take government money and refund our customers or not take the grant". They'll take the money anyway. Businesses do not turn down allowances to which they are entitled. Your tax money is already gone regardless.
migs
Active member
Above average wage earner may be true for you, but £30k furlough pay would be a big rise in earnings for me...
Sticky Fingers
Well-known member
In the letter from Premier that I received which I posted above in post 46, Premier stated that their staff have been kept on full pay. ...
Premier Marinas said:
Read into that what you will, I read it that they were still working. But It could be interpreted as "they're furloughed plus we've topped the salary up".