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[Twister_Ken]

Re: Ah But!

HLB.

Appreciate that with one engine you had considerable difficulties, so three questions.

One, was it appropriate to set off in that condition (as opposed to completing a trip)?

Two, if so, was there any way you could have communicated your difficulties to others without blasting away on your hooter - which is bound to rile others who have no idea of your predicament?

Three - what are the light and shape signals for a vessel restricted in its ability to manouver?

 

[hlb]

Re: Ah But!

Perfectly happy to answer your questions.
1/ Should the raggy who was parked up. Not desplayed some intentions of his movements. Mine were quite clear.
2/ Ive got a 200hp engine in perfect working orderer. My only problem is that I cannot at this moment. Swing round on a sixpence. A negotiation that you Rag lot seem incapable of doing at the best of times. Look I've raced folk with my Osprey going backwards and still beat them. I've also had a power boat with one engine down. I can understand the pratt not understanding the problem. But he was told. By The woman prancing about on the deck!!!!!! Its in a Ristricted area. IE Marina enterance. Its and I quote a " 40 odd ft boat" I sail in Plymouth. I dont expect the war ships to get out of the way of me. Regardless of there movements or whatever balls they might be carrying. Even if I had the time or inclination to find them between the radar and other appendges. Blasting away on a hooter as you call it. Is precisly the way of nautically telling others of your intentions.
I suppose by your remarks. That if the poor bugger had not only got engine difficulties but also sinking. He would have been equally a nuisance to the guy in the topper. If it was not clear before. It is certainly clear now. The guy had engine problems and unable to manuver. What the F**ck do you want him to do. Disapear?? In clear and unristricked waters the rules are quite clear. Even if the law is an ass. And altering course by a degree or two is quite acceptable whether it be for power or sail. But in a river with restrictive movement and in a marina entrance. Good seamanship would keep a good seaman with no intention of entering it.out of that area. Or to pass through it with the greatest of care. And with an obligation to give way to a vessel with much greater depth beam and length than his own. If you want an argument over this. Please dont talk to me. Please address yourselves to Plymouth military police. The only issue her is about a power boat who could not give way because of his restraints. So the sailing vessel did. Up to now there is no problem. All is very correct. The only problem now is, that some ones griping about another blokes engine problems and hoping that there terminal!! Theres a story about the good samaritan but I dont want to go there. And neither do you if you've any sense.

No one can force me to come here-----------
----- I'm a Volunteer!!!

Haydn

 

[WayneS]

Re: Ah But!

hlb, see my PM

 

[rogerroger]

Re: Ah But! --insurance ?

never mind insurance - how are other water users (yachts, stinkies, warships, hovercraft, amphibious landing craft, pedlos, lilos etc) - supposed to know you're having difficulties manoevering if the correct shapes / lights aren't displayed?

If the brakes fail on your car you can't expect everyone to let you pass as you shoot over stop signs, cross roads and roundabouts.

If the vessel was exiting the marina then should they not have stayed there to get the problem sorted ? or if having to leave with problems should the harbour master not have been informed so he could ensure a clear passage?

Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk

 

[rogerroger]

Re: Sell all you\'re Gizmo\'s and.............

< step outside son and settle this like a man ! ?

Now on a boat that's an altercation I'd like to see - two grown men stepping "outide" straight into the sea !

Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk

 

[halcyon]

Re: Ah But! --insurance ?

Roger

Given up with logic, you see it, I see it, but other people do not, see threads around midnight last night on Ah But!.
Thought insurance and there pocket may have got more interest, answer no.


Brian

 

[Langouste]

Re: A paintball gun.....

I say "eggs is eggs"!!!

 

[Twister_Ken]

Re: Ah But!

HLB,

Sorry, but you do not seem to have answered my questions - not that you're obliged to, of course.

To rephrase. I can understand that if an engine fails at sea, then despite being restricted in your ability to manouver you must somehow find a berth, and that will entail some difficulties, which you seem to have resolved by enlisting the help of the marina workboat. But having got into shelter, is it sensible to set off again whilst still 'handicapped'? I ask, not only because of your experience, but because the thread was started about an m/b leaving Lymington Yacht Haven (entrance at right angles to a narrow busy river) while apparently having one u/s engine. There are a bunch of perfectly good marine engineers in Lymington, and it 99% certain the problem could have been sorted there. Surely good seamanship dictates fixing the problem before putting back to sea? In the case of our Lymington friend, rather than a confrontation with a Topper, she could have found herself arguing the toss with Caedmon, Cenred or Cenwulf; each 760 tons of ferry with no room to deviate more than a few feet port or starboard of its route. No contest and no flowers at the funeral by request, but donations to the RNLI welcome.

Secondly, there are shapes which will let people know that you are restricted, but there is no sound signal. Blasting on your hooter will do nothing except confuse and annoy others, as no doubt it would you if you were on the receiving end. Perhaps a Ch16 broadcast on 1 watt power advising 'vessels in the vicinity of' would have been a more effective way of communicating your difficulties.

 

[hlb]

Re: Ah But!

Oh. Thanks for the advise. Next time I'm about to be rammed and cant get out of the way. I will do as you suggest. Casualy walk down stairs, perhaps making a cup of tea on the way. Make a call on chanel 16. With the hope that the guy who is about to ram me, has the fothough to have switched his radio on. Maybe he has not got one! So I will from now on refuse to use the horn in this situation and perhaps ask him for his address and send him a letter. Please dont bother to answer.

No one can force me to come here-----------
----- I'm a Volunteer!!!

Haydn

 

[WayneS]

Re: Ah But!

It's not worth replying to him anyway. His arrogance far outweighs his abilities anyway.

Cheers

Wayne

 

[halcyon]

Re: Ah But!

Ken

It puzzled me as well, Falmouth marina is aukward place to get to. Challenger marine, main Volvo agents are 200 yds upstream, Boat Co are opposite and have a engineer, and Steve is 100 yds further down stream, but he still put to sea, via all the mooring in the Penryn River, must be 300/400 boats. Then blames a yacht for being in a inconciderate place.

Yachts are soon criticised for not showing motoring cones, or even anchor ball, so why should motor boats tatally ignor the regs?

Should be ok, ive already been verbally abused on a earlier post.

Brian

 

[Guest]

One has to do the decent thing no matter what the

price. I always give the other chap the choice of weapons.........