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Do you think that Brexit will change your boating and has there been any hints from the countries you keep your boat
 
I think the correct answer is nobody knows, but I'm erring on the side of no significant changes coming about as a result (aside from exchange rate movements).
 
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apart from trying to explain why the UK voted leave to totally mystified Scandinavans and Spaniards not really.
However I have the "Dutch Registration" all ready to go just in case of a hard brexit situation.
(A Dutch registered boat can stay in EU waters indefinitely, and the boat owner does not need to be Dutch:-) )
 
It’s a great unknown. Only thing guaranteed is that the boat will be allowed to stay, as she is French flagged, whether her captain and crew can stay is unknown.
 
No idea.

But I reckon Spain and the immeduateclocal community where we are greatly benefit from marine toury.
I spent about €15k locally last year - and I’m not a big slender.

I don’t expect it to change
 
kashurst said:
However I have the "Dutch Registration" all ready to go just in case of a hard brexit situation.
(A Dutch registered boat can stay in EU waters indefinitely, and the boat owner does not need to be Dutch:-) )
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Thinking about doing the same if the UK commits no deal suicide
 
Bouba said:
It’s a great unknown. Only thing guaranteed is that the boat will be allowed to stay, as she is French flagged, whether her captain and crew can stay is unknown.
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I don’t think there will be any restrictions on people ,it’s the boats will be taxed and if they can stay for a long time !,KASH good thinking and god luck to you all
 
The “ hint “ I,am picking up and sensing dates back to approx our referendum result , so past 2 years or so is basically France is bust ! Has been for a while .

It’s been cooking the books for the EU .The relative severity of the Macron reforms confirms that view .
The steep rise of the level of taxation is too little ( or too much if you are a citizen ? ) too late .
The EU,s preoccupation with GB plc has allowed Fr to get away with it , or there’s little appetite to break the unity until after Brexit .

So if we do leave and the EU don,t get the initial £39 Bn or there’s a shortfall ie no overpayments of £3Bn / month after 2020 - we suppose to stop subbing them ,then FR will be even worse hit and the FR gov will have to find that lost revenue .More so if folks keep taking to the street and forcing the Fr gov to U turn tax reforms .

So there’s maybe something coming our way not very pleasant for Brits abroad with a boat in Fr waters .

Just a hint which is what you asked .

Meanwhile across the boarder when I travel through Italy to get to the boat I need to wear a biker back protector because the N Italians keep patting me on the back wishing they were leaving ,blaming all there ills on Brussels.
There Gov is allowed to ignore the spending limits ,the IT gov have put two fingers up to Brussels .

Swiss arn,t bothered ambivalent laughing at all of us , but the weakening Euro against the Swiss Fc means it’s expensive for EU people to come to CH .This has had a knock on effect of ( Under EU reciprocal freedom of movement) there’s a 21 st century immigration problem at boarder cities like GVA and others ,of hundreds of thousands of high end “ migrants “ commuters every day taking the best top jobs from the Swiss cos it’s worth more at home to be paid in CH Fc .
The pay the EU a tariff for the freedom of movement, but it’s all one way and it’s costs them - whatch this space :encouragement:

Wife has an Irish grandfather anyhow so she currently is in the process or acquiring a EU passport .

In which case that could be our flag change if flying a red turns into a problem for the Fr and we want to stay in Fr ?

So Brexit could put too much fiscal strain on Fr and force the Fr gov to dig deeper tax wise , it’s not as if the Gillet Verts have not got enough ammo to riot .

Boats move and there’s plenty of nice places in Italy to base it .
Italians wish they were in our shoes ,well the ones I meet .
We will blend in with the Itama anyhow .

We will find a place in Tuscany near Elba if things become disagreeable in Fr as a result of Brexit .

We will disinvest sell the berth ( expires 2029 ) and the Antibes property - cash in and bugger off leave them to it and take my custom elsewhere.
 
kashurst said:
apart from trying to explain why the UK voted leave to totally mystified Scandinavans and Spaniards not really.
However I have the "Dutch Registration" all ready to go just in case of a hard brexit situation.
(A Dutch registered boat can stay in EU waters indefinitely, and the boat owner does not need to be Dutch:-) )
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I can see 1/2 dozen armed jobsworths with a big dog boarding your boat in the marina while you are having your evening meal at the cockpit table , with a view to reconciling the flag to the passport of the owner(s) / ownership entity !!

I think the Belgium’s are starting to link passport to flags at renewal time .
Won,t be long before the Dutch follow suite .
 
Portofino said:
The “ hint “ I,am picking up and sensing dates back to approx our referendum result , so past 2 years or so is basically France is bust ! Has been for a while .

It’s been cooking the books for the EU .The relative severity of the Macron reforms confirms that view .
The steep rise of the level of taxation is too little ( or too much if you are a citizen ? ) too late .
The EU,s preoccupation with GB plc has allowed Fr to get away with it , or there’s little appetite to break the unity until after Brexit .

So if we do leave and the EU don,t get the initial £39 Bn or there’s a shortfall ie no overpayments of £3Bn / month after 2020 - we suppose to stop subbing them ,then FR will be even worse hit and the FR gov will have to find that lost revenue .More so if folks keep taking to the street and forcing the Fr gov to U turn tax reforms .

So there’s maybe something coming our way not very pleasant for Brits abroad with a boat in Fr waters .

Just a hint which is what you asked .

Meanwhile across the boarder when I travel through Italy to get to the boat I need to wear a biker back protector because the N Italians keep patting me on the back wishing they were leaving ,blaming all there ills on Brussels.
There Gov is allowed to ignore the spending limits ,the IT gov have put two fingers up to Brussels .

Swiss arn,t bothered ambivalent laughing at all of us , but the weakening Euro against the Swiss Fc means it’s expensive for EU people to come to CH .This has had a knock on effect of ( Under EU reciprocal freedom of movement) there’s a 21 st century immigration problem at boarder cities like GVA and others ,of hundreds of thousands of high end “ migrants “ commuters every day taking the best top jobs from the Swiss cos it’s worth more at home to be paid in CH Fc .
The pay the EU a tariff for the freedom of movement, but it’s all one way and it’s costs them - whatch this space :encouragement:

Wife has an Irish grandfather anyhow so she currently is in the process or acquiring a EU passport .

In which case that could be our flag change if flying a red turns into a problem for the Fr and we want to stay in Fr ?

So Brexit could put too much fiscal strain on Fr and force the Fr gov to dig deeper tax wise , it’s not as if the Gillet Verts have not got enough ammo to riot .

Boats move and there’s plenty of nice places in Italy to base it .
Italians wish they were in our shoes ,well the ones I meet .
We will blend in with the Itama anyhow .

We will find a place in Tuscany near Elba if things become disagreeable in Fr as a result of Brexit .

We will disinvest sell the berth ( expires 2029 ) and the Antibes property - cash in and bugger off leave them to it and take my custom elsewhere.
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I want aware Switzerland had freedom of movement
 
What about all the foreign owned but UK flagged boats that are in the Med ie UK registered boats owned by EU nationals through a UK company? How will they be affected?
 
kashurst said:
However I have the "Dutch Registration" all ready to go just in case of a hard brexit situation.
(A Dutch registered boat can stay in EU waters indefinitely, and the boat owner does not need to be Dutch:-) )
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How do you organise this? Would we be able to do this post-Brexit or is it an EU citizen-only entitlement?
 
I have the option to extend the lease on our mooring until end 2030, but certainly not doing anything for the moment. I think like Porto, I would head to Italy if the French started getting tricky
 
markc said:
I have the option to extend the lease on our mooring until end 2030, but certainly not doing anything for the moment. I think like Porto, I would head to Italy if the French started getting tricky
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What makes you think Italy will be different
 
Portofino said:
The “ hint “ I,am picking up and sensing dates back to approx our referendum result , so past 2 years or so is basically France is bust ! Has been for a while .

It’s been cooking the books for the EU .The relative severity of the Macron reforms confirms that view .
The steep rise of the level of taxation is too little ( or too much if you are a citizen ? ) too late .
The EU,s preoccupation with GB plc has allowed Fr to get away with it , or there’s little appetite to break the unity until after Brexit .

So if we do leave and the EU don,t get the initial £39 Bn or there’s a shortfall ie no overpayments of £3Bn / month after 2020 - we suppose to stop subbing them ,then FR will be even worse hit and the FR gov will have to find that lost revenue .More so if folks keep taking to the street and forcing the Fr gov to U turn tax reforms .

So there’s maybe something coming our way not very pleasant for Brits abroad with a boat in Fr waters .

Just a hint which is what you asked .

Meanwhile across the boarder when I travel through Italy to get to the boat I need to wear a biker back protector because the N Italians keep patting me on the back wishing they were leaving ,blaming all there ills on Brussels.
There Gov is allowed to ignore the spending limits ,the IT gov have put two fingers up to Brussels .

Swiss arn,t bothered ambivalent laughing at all of us , but the weakening Euro against the Swiss Fc means it’s expensive for EU people to come to CH .This has had a knock on effect of ( Under EU reciprocal freedom of movement) there’s a 21 st century immigration problem at boarder cities like GVA and others ,of hundreds of thousands of high end “ migrants “ commuters every day taking the best top jobs from the Swiss cos it’s worth more at home to be paid in CH Fc .
The pay the EU a tariff for the freedom of movement, but it’s all one way and it’s costs them - whatch this space :encouragement:

Wife has an Irish grandfather anyhow so she currently is in the process or acquiring a EU passport .

In which case that could be our flag change if flying a red turns into a problem for the Fr and we want to stay in Fr ?

So Brexit could put too much fiscal strain on Fr and force the Fr gov to dig deeper tax wise , it’s not as if the Gillet Verts have not got enough ammo to riot .

Boats move and there’s plenty of nice places in Italy to base it .
Italians wish they were in our shoes ,well the ones I meet .
We will blend in with the Itama anyhow .

We will find a place in Tuscany near Elba if things become disagreeable in Fr as a result of Brexit .

We will disinvest sell the berth ( expires 2029 ) and the Antibes property - cash in and bugger off leave them to it and take my custom elsewhere.
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Ref your Irish point, do they have an SSR equivalent?
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
I don't think much else will change. They'll still want our tourist spend.
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Agree .
If there’s a Fx change that temporarily kills the Brit tourists supply in the SoF then that will hit the already fragile Fr economy.
With boats stuff they have ( they love bureaucracy) various committees representing the local maritime trades , you know marinas , yards , and the other industries.These committees feed into Paris .
Recently they managed to get a revisit of the crew social charges if a big boat spent more time say over 3 months in Fr .
So they can point the gun at there foot , but actually shooting them selves in the foot is another thing - re knackering the boaty / maritime economy in the SoF .
Despite doom mongers of no deal there will be a transition period whereby both sides ( EU + Britain ) will try not to effect the everyday day to day life of citizens in both camps .
Remember there are currently 400,000 Fr living and working in London .So reciprocity will prevail.

They will not want to damage there economy by frightening off boaty trade .One would like them to get that .
However as said certain factions in Fr society / gov will want a fairer tax regime and foreign boats are sitting ducks near saturation point .
The saturation point is when folks take to streets in violent protest .I think they already there !
 
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