Observations - sail to power

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Well, now truly on the dark side and loving it, great delivery trip even though the Chi bar was kicking off in a F6 southerly 2 hours after high water, that was a tad rough and yes Nelsons roll!

As for getting places we set off from Christchurch and just came home, in the sailboat I would have not even considered starting that trip at lunchtime, we were tied up safe by 1545, the drudge across hayling bay which used to take an hour motoring head to wind took 15 mins!

Settling the Nelson takes more thought than I'd imagined, using the trim tabs and getting her balanced between bow down too much and rolling less control and bow up more control takes practice.

Manouvering with twin screws is a joy, evering thing done with minimum revs gently increasing power seems to get her spining in her own length and managing a 90 degree turn into the tight berth in Northney is possible!!

Balancing the engines so they are in harmony also takes practice in differing sea conditions, the quatering sea produced a small vibration as the stern was lifted by the waves which was countered by throttling back then increasing revs again, cavitation??

There seem to be sweet spots when it's so smooth its as if she's no engines running and finding them is becoming easier, slight throttle adjustments make one hell of a difference in the smooth running and balancing them.

Engineering:- LOTS more to consider than the sail boat, gear box oil pressure there's a new gauge to look at engine temps etc.. slight drip on the stern glands which I'm told is normal, didn't have that before with a volvo shaft seal, the new shafts have a pipe leading to them but not sure what is feeding them, best guess until I trace them is raw water cooling?

Two engines to service and LOTs of oil required, stbd engine burned about two pints of oil in 4 hours which worried me but the Sabre manual says they should burn that much!

Garmin kit is really pretty easy to use, compared to years of Raymarine it's easier to use although setting up split screens means going "home". In fact the home key is never far away which is great when it's all gone wrong! Best and favourite chart is the 3D mariners view, perfect detail, ships on the horizon appear but an anoying AIS alarm that you can't switch off without turning off the AIS! Great in the channel but in coastal waters even some tenders seem to have AIS transponders! May the guy at the end of the jetty one day realise we can all see him playing with his new transponder!

Depth sounder seems to have a mind of it's own, as speed increases it can jump from reading 6 metres to 0.5 cavitation I guess but it had me looking at the chart and our position a couple of times! As the boat nearly touched the mud at low water on the berth it read 8.4 metres, the other transponder to the other depth sounder read correctly.

Raggies are rude and glare at you, I always used to wave at power boats and dinghys seem suicidal more so in front of a power boat in the fairway than on the 45' sail boat, 12 tons is a little tricky to stop dead in the water when they decided to tack in front at the last moment then shake their fist at you!!

Registration, well, she is Guernsey pt 1 registered and have found all the past blue books, original name was "Alice" so we are going to put her back to that, Yea yea, I know, who the F** is Alice!

Anyway comments on observations would be welcome especially on the engineering bits

Ian
 
I very pleased that an ex long time sailor made the observation that "raggies are rude and glare at you" and not a life time motorboater, obviously they are not all prats, but a lot of them out there think the solent should be void of anything with an engine.

Glad your initinal impressions of boating under power is a pleasant one.
 
Thanks for the write up Ian, made for a good read.

Glad you are enjoying your new boat, I've said it before and I'll say it again, she's a beaut!

My depth sounder throws tizzies, but then again in my neck of the woods, it's either bleeding deep or your on the beach!

I'm sure the raggie thing is a British thing, although I don't come across many over here everyone here is just out to enjoy their time on the water, doesn't matter what vessel your in!...Although don't get me started on knob head 20 somethings on the jet ski's and boat's doing wake boarding.....I seem to attract them like bears to honey!
 
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Balancing the engines so they are in harmony also takes practice in differing sea conditions, the quatering sea produced a small vibration as the stern was lifted by the waves which was countered by throttling back then increasing revs again, cavitation??
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Your RPM will fluctuate slightly as the props get into deeper/shallowe water... and when stern is lifted up when inclined, they may cavitate slightly, causing vibrations as you describe..


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Two engines to service and LOTs of oil required, stbd engine burned about two pints of oil in 4 hours which worried me but the Sabre manual says they should burn that much!

Not un-usual, but try to let her settle to her own natural oil level.... As the engines are at an angle, the dipstick may not be 100% correct, and as such she may throw out the excess oil. I had a boat with two 120 hp straight six Fords once and one of the engines stopped using oil when the dipstick was about one and a half centimetre below the Full mark... the other one a bit higher than that..., but both threw out the first pint or two relatively quickly..
 
Congratulations. Manouvering a twin screw boat in a tight marina is one of the little joys of boating and it can be very satisfying if you do it well. Depth sounders often give false readings at speed. I've never had a boat which gave consistent sounder readings above planing speed which is a good reason to know where you are as grounding a mobo is potentially far more catastrophic than a yacht. I had Sabres in a previous boat and I swear they consumed more oil than diesel so, if the consumption is within the tolerances given, dont worry about it. Yes, you're right; synchronising engine rpm can make a big difference to how smoothly the boat runs. Don't forget that rev counters often lie so matching rpm on the rev counters doesn't necessarily mean that the actual rpm are synchronised; after owning the boat for a while you'll hear and feel when the engines are synced. Also most boats have a natural gait when a particular combination of engine rpm and speed makes you feel as if the engines and hull are in harmony.
 
I'm sure the raggie thing is a British thing, although I don't come across many over here everyone here is just out to enjoy their time on the water, doesn't matter what vessel your in!...Although don't get me started on knob head 20 somethings on the jet ski's and boat's doing wake boarding.....I seem to attract them like bears to honey!

Unfortunately GL the 'raggie thing' reaches to the corners of the globe, which possibly isn't helped by the knobs, whatever age, on anything small and fast.

In saying this, I've had uncomfortable experiences in anchorages with older raggies in dinghies buzzing about between the boats.

We may have to put it down to a human condition...:)
 
I may have missed a previous post Ian, but what Nelson do you have? They are of course, as tough as old boots, and certainly good for a Southerly F6 against the Chi ebb!! No doubt you took a few green ones over the bow there!!

Pleased that you can now see what we moboers say about raggies and their attitude towards us. I was recently coming up the Solent North Channel, 18 tons and 23 knots, and was confronted with about 20 raggies all racing. I took particular care to ensure I passed behind every one to avoid any wash impeding them. NOT ONE waved in acknowledgement - really hacks me off that - makes you feel like giving the full benefit of our wash next time.
 
just to add to Deleted User point about the rev counters...dont expect all dials for the engines to match each other (temp/oil pressure etc) .. its more important to note a change in one reading. Some people put a small bit of tape on where each dial normally reads to note this, though I dont find I have so many dials I dont know them anyway.
 
Tother thing ref dials an rev counters an stuff
After a while (just like a raggie whatsit I suppose) but more so with a Mobo.
You will get to feel her 'sounds' and vibes , then instict will tell you when she sits right feels right etc
Gauges are Gauges after all, needles flicker and muck about.
Not saying take no notice
Well, yer know what I mean!!

Good write up
Keep them coming it IS interesting.
 
I very pleased that an ex long time sailor made the observation that "raggies are rude and glare at you" and not a life time motorboater, obviously they are not all prats, but a lot of them out there think the solent should be void of anything with an engine.

Glad your initinal impressions of boating under power is a pleasant one.

Well, having switched from mobo to raggie I would like to comment on this - your probably right !! we love all things on the water and are hit by the amount of snobbery that goes round, in the last few weeks I have made all the fixed lines only to be told which line was spliced in as good as the others, should we have the lines differently (no!!), called novices (only five years on the water, one year sailing) blah blah blah - we smile and carry on. We have to go through a lock to get out of Whitehaven and on Monday we locked out with a huge mobo (Bumble II) which is a fab boat and had a great chat in the lock - no doubt they were shocked that a raggi said (out load) how nice their boat was!!
 
Depth sounder seems to have a mind of it's own, as speed increases it can jump from reading 6 metres to 0.5 cavitation I guess but it had me looking at the chart and our position a couple of times! As the boat nearly touched the mud at low water on the berth it read 8.4 metres, the other transponder to the other depth sounder read correctly.


Anyway comments on observations would be welcome especially on the engineering bits

Ian


About 3 years ago MBM featured a report on Echo Pilot experimenting with different substances to enhance their depth sounder transducers, KY Jelly came out favourite.
At the time we were experiencing reliability problems with our echo sounder in the murky waters of the River Humber and reliable soundings were unobtainable above 17 knots.

After reading the MBM article you can imagine my excitement regarding the reported qualities of KY Jelly. (If you don’t know what that is you best ask your SWMBO).
I immediately dispatched SWMBO to the chemist and that week end I withdrew the transducer and removed all the oil from the sounder tube using an old hand soap pump.
Then I took the tube of KY Jelly squeezed out the contents and went for it.

I can indeed confirm I went deeper and faster than I had ever managed before.

The problem was it is a water based substance and with winter freezing temperatures on the way I had no way of knowing when it would go hard.

If anyone cares to try it I confirm it will enhance your tackle and with the aid of a hand pump the whole messy job can be completed in a couple of minutes.


True story :D
 
I can indeed confirm I went deeper and faster than I had ever managed before.

The problem was it is a water based substance and with winter freezing temperatures on the way I had no way of knowing when it would go hard.

If anyone cares to try it I confirm it will enhance your tackle and with the aid of a hand pump the whole messy job can be completed in a couple of minutes.

OO-er! Missus! :eek:

You're not related to Frankie Howerd are you? :D
 
Well, having switched from mobo to raggie I would like to comment on this - your probably right !! we love all things on the water and are hit by the amount of snobbery that goes round, in the last few weeks I have made all the fixed lines only to be told which line was spliced in as good as the others, should we have the lines differently (no!!), called novices (only five years on the water, one year sailing) blah blah blah - we smile and carry on. We have to go through a lock to get out of Whitehaven and on Monday we locked out with a huge mobo (Bumble II) which is a fab boat and had a great chat in the lock - no doubt they were shocked that a raggi said (out load) how nice their boat was!!

Just being nosy here, my boat was previously berthed at Whitehaven and was called Bumble.
was Bumble II an Atlantic 50 ish by chance ?
 
Depth sounder seems to have a mind of it's own, as speed increases it can jump from reading 6 metres to 0.5 cavitation I guess but it had me looking at the chart and our position a couple of times! As the boat nearly touched the mud at low water on the berth it read 8.4 metres, the other transponder to the other depth sounder read correctly. /QUOTE]

Glad you're enjoying both sides. I love the engineering of mobo's but have to say I'm happier bumbling along at 5 knots in silence rather than bouncing around in a smallish boat at 20+ knots. A big Nelson is definitely a very classy way of travelling though...

Re: your depth-sounders, assuming you have two are they on different frequencies? If they aren't then you may well get interference between the two, especially in shallower waters. May be worth just pulling the switch on one and see if the other starts working.
 
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