Not again :-(

[ari]

I know many people who earn less than the 36k I quoted as a salary and they manage to boat and have great fun. They simply make it work. For example I have one mooring that is all states of the tide in a very nice place 100 yards from shore and it costs me £105 per year. One of my other moorings in a marina costs me £1600 per year.

The boat on the £105 mooring costs me about £1000 a year all in

Many other of my friends trailer boat for much less

In order to do this they do maintain acne when it is needed rather than slavishly each year and keep other costs down the best they can

One of the greatest contributors to this forum I know will be no where near 1/10th of the income many are on but boat he does. He has one of the longest running threads here and I know some very kind people on here have helped out

I think it is important that people on here are aware of this and understand. That was the point of my post

I know many people who would dream of a spare £1,000 to run a boat, let alone then another £1,600 just to moor yet another boat! And that's before considering the five figure sum to buy the boat.

Still, as you say, hopefully things will level out.

 

[ari]

Well.
I popped into to see the dealer face to face to ask what they're actually doing to justify raising the price.
Answer was, drives off and replace bushes and seals, 6 new batteries, new duo props, service and AF. Plus a few other bits. Not sure if thats £5k's worth but thats what they want done so to be sure of not returning the boat under the warranty.

Then I tortured myself by sitting with a beer beside the river watching boats go by.

I am looking at another S34 in Gosport Sunday although over my budget its worth a look and a haggle, you never know. The broker sent a fully detailed SH of the boat. From the pictures it looks a very well looked after boat.

Just to bring this back on topic, I think at this stage all you can do is forget what cost's what and the variable asking price and think only about what you would be happy to pay for the boat.

Offer that, make it clear that you'll proceed with a deposit as soon as it is accepted and step back. Either they accept and you have the boat at the figure you are comfortable with, or they don't and you move on.

 

[Greg2]

Just to bring this back on topic, I think at this stage all you can do is forget what cost's what and the variable asking price and think only about what you would be happy to pay for the boat.

Offer that, make it clear that you'll proceed with a deposit as soon as it is accepted and step back. Either they accept and you have the boat at the figure you are comfortable with, or they don't and you move on.

+1
The work stated doesn’t sound like £5k worth and much is simple maintenance.

Our S34 has four batteries including the bowthruster and we recently replaced the three engine start and domestic batteries for around £350. Non-VP props £420 a set inc vat (VP don’t supply the original A4s as a set any longer).

I guess lifts and drives off involves a bit of cost though.

 

[russ]

+1
The work stated doesn’t sound like £5k worth and much is simple maintenance.

Our S34 has four batteries including the bowthruster and we recently replaced the three engine start and domestic batteries for around £350. Non-VP props £420 a set inc vat (VP don’t supply the original A4s as a set any longer).

I guess lifts and drives off involves a bit of cost though.

Just assumed there were 3 batteries in port side battery box as I saw 3 in the starboard box. Should have looked closer.
What would you think the cost of removing the legs to re-bush helmet and fit new shaft and steering arm seals? Must be over a grand?
Service around £500, also they said it would be fitted with new VP props. AF. Theres some faulty wiring from inverter which they say fried the batteries.

It all adds up but I recon around £2500-£3000.

Looked over a 2007 with D4s today. Very tidy boat. It'll probably go for around the same price as the 05 AD41 boat but without the warranty.
I understand that D4 engines are more expensive to service plus they have the problematic steering arms? What would the annual service cost be incl anodes for both engines and legs compared to the 41's ?

 

[Portofino]

https://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/1693256/
Is this worth it compared to VP outdrives?

 

[ari]

I understand that D4 engines are more expensive to service plus they have the problematic steering arms?

I stand to be corrected because maybe there's something else, but I thought the steering ram problem was caused by marine growth on external steering rams damaging the seals and was resolved by VP fitting rubber gaiters over them?

 

[kashurst]

Russ, all these issues with outdrives and props is just natures way of telling you to buy a shaft drive boat.
Link below is not a smart looking sports targa boat, (they look a lot better without the "tent" and you can't see what it looks like when you are out and about). I spent a very happy 4 days aboard one doing my day skipper bouncing around the Isle of Wight/Solent. Pretty simple boat, lovely smooth ride, easy to handle, no outdrive complexities, no superchargers, very easy and safe to move around on, loads of room inside for when it rains. With all the money you save, keep a bit back for contingencies, then new curtains and carpets, posh telly, possibly re-upholster over the winter and make the boat yours. Ask Father Xmas to buy you a new Simrad 9" Cruise chartplotter - and a hand held modern VHF and you are good to go. 18 knots is plenty fast enough, and it will be very happy pottering along at 7 knots - enjoy the day, whats the rush?

www.yorkmarina.co.uk/boats-for-sale/boat/?Make=Birchwood&Model=TS37&BoatID=6955068

 

[salad]

I can’t believe how kin hard it is to buy a boat. The dealer has just emailed to say the price has risen in order to cover the repair costs. £85k for an 05 S34. I don’t think so.
Totally fed up with whole boat search.

Where are you based, do you want to get together and down a bottle of scotch?

I'm having exactly the same problems.

 

[petem]

https://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/1693256/
Is this worth it compared to VP outdrives?

Porto, that's a lovely thing (looks like a cabin version) and is one of the few boats that I would consider over my boat.

Pershing pros
Narrow beam 3.25m so potential cheaper mooring costs
Likely to have better seakeeping that S34/T34
Shafts so no faffing about with drives
No superchargers so less to go wrong
Pasarelle
Bathing platform can take a tender
Rear sunpad

Pershing cons
Less internal and cockpit space
Open aft cabin
Higher fuel burn
Longer length so potential increased mooring cost over S34/T34

I'd love to spend a week on one.

 

[petem]

Russ, all these issues with outdrives and props is just natures way of telling you to buy a shaft drive boat.
Link below is not a smart looking sports targa boat, (they look a lot better without the "tent" and you can't see what it looks like when you are out and about). I spent a very happy 4 days aboard one doing my day skipper bouncing around the Isle of Wight/Solent. Pretty simple boat, lovely smooth ride, easy to handle, no outdrive complexities, no superchargers, very easy and safe to move around on, loads of room inside for when it rains. With all the money you save, keep a bit back for contingencies, then new curtains and carpets, posh telly, possibly re-upholster over the winter and make the boat yours. Ask Father Xmas to buy you a new Simrad 9" Cruise chartplotter - and a hand held modern VHF and you are good to go. 18 knots is plenty fast enough, and it will be very happy pottering along at 7 knots - enjoy the day, whats the rush?

www.yorkmarina.co.uk/boats-for-sale/boat/?Make=Birchwood&Model=TS37&BoatID=6955068

Kev's about as likely to buy that as I am!

 

[ari]

Indeed!

That's a bit like saying to a bloke dead set on a Porsche convertible 'have you considered a camper van? Much more practical, lots of room inside when it rains and what's the hurry anyway?'

Both have their place, but I think a slightly different appeal!

 

[julians]

the steering rams issue on the DPH drive (that is used with the d4) does seems to be very much reduced with the newest rams and rubber gaitors.

I cant see d4's being much different in service costs for standard services than a AD41 engine, its just the usual oil,filters and belts with a d4, and there are no valve clearances to be checked on the d4.

Prices for replacement parts (like heat exchangers etc) may be more expensive , there does seem to be many more aftermarket parts available for the AD41's etc, and not as much available for the D series.

 

[Portofino]

Porto, that's a lovely thing (looks like a cabin version) and is one of the few boats that I would consider over my boat.

Pershing pros
Narrow beam 3.25m so potential cheaper mooring costs
Likely to have better seakeeping that S34/T34
Shafts so no faffing about with drives
No superchargers so less to go wrong
Pasarelle
Bathing platform can take a tender
Rear sunpad

Pershing cons
Less internal and cockpit space
Open aft cabin
Higher fuel burn
Longer length so potential increased mooring cost over S34/T34

I'd love to spend a week on one.

Yes it’s a pity somehow one can’t try before buy or better still bit like super cars ( same price point more or less ) take a personal finance lease out and chuck it ( part ex with the dealer sorting out a new fiancé agreement) if it’s turns out not for you .
Sort of get a new Lambo then switch to a McLaren after 6 months then to a Ferrari within a year. Keeping that because it’s the “ one “ .Obviously doing your brains in on the finance flips but ending up the “ one “ keeper .

In the boat world I think folks can end up with lemons and can’t get out fast enough. Unlike the car ( same £ value ) world

 

[Greg2]

In case you haven’t seen this Russ http://sealineforum.co.uk/t14785-s34

Within your budget and asking £10k less than the one in Gosport and the benefits of old school AD41s

 

[russ]

In case you haven’t seen this Russ http://sealineforum.co.uk/t14785-s34

Within your budget and asking £10k less than the one in Gosport and the benefits of old school AD41s

Thanks Greg. I have looked over that one.
Cheers.

 

[AdeOlly]

Interesting thread.. So I had my 2004 Prestige 34 on the market over winter of 17/18, and had three people pull out for no real reason post offer but pre-survey, which wasted much time. So April last year I had a full service carried out on engines and drives which had no issues and no oil contamination. We used it over the summer for a few weekends and a couple of weeks in that glorious heatwave, just 30 odd engine hours. In September I put the boat into a used boat show and lifted to display area. She went under offer for the fourth time a few weeks later. When surveyed the input shaft seal had failed on one drive (gear oil in the bellows) and the output shaft of the other leaking plus driveshaft badly scored. Exit circa £3.5k odd as material defects. Moral of the story is that Mr Big Bill is inevitably lurking just round the corner with a 15 year old outdrive boat.

To me £85k for an '05 S34 is very strong. Personally I wouldn't buy any boat with 14yr old D4s; the cost of the parts is just exorbitant. Injectors (exchange) £735 each for example. ECUs, heat exchangers etc all big bucks.

I'm in a similar position to the OP with a similar amount to spend on an interim boat, except I'm not buying outdrives or common rail. As already stated, there is a dearth of good quality boats circa 10 years old, and very few that meet my criteria. Prices for good stuff are strong, and brokers the usual mixed bag of good to useless.

 

[Kawasaki]

Interesting thread.. and brokers the usual mixed bag of good to useless.

Here Here
Absoloute shambles most of Them

 

[kashurst]

Indeed!

That's a bit like saying to a bloke dead set on a Porsche convertible 'have you considered a camper van? Much more practical, lots of room inside when it rains and what's the hurry anyway?'

Both have their place, but I think a slightly different appeal!

very true, but in the light of a lot of other posts re older outdrives, D series engines etc, I thought I would chuck it into the mix. After nearly twenty years and 6 boats, simple = reliable = stress free boating = cheaper boating

 

[Croftie]

Russ. I have heard there maybe an s34 with kad43 coming on the market at York marina it maybe worth a call

Reyes ash

Looks like it has just come up for sale
http://www.yorkmarina.co.uk/boats-for-sale/boat/?Make=Sealine&Model=S34&BoatID=7138244

 

[russ]

Thanks Croftie. I,ll take a look.