Not again :-(

Bigplumbs said:
That looks like a very nice one with a lot of work don't. I would move fast on this one Russ if I were you. Offer £70K accept a few things and get out on the water

Dennis
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Nav kit will need sorting that RL70 is monochrome as is plotter ?
 
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Non Tidal boats = Ancient Nav-Gear ?

Many used UK boats sourced from inland waterways and inland marinas do tend to have the original kit supplied from new still aboard.This would include the Thames. Some with a stand alone colour depth finder added. .
Hence quite a few with ancient monochrome plotters/radar and fishfinders.
All the old kit still aboard simply because no need to even turn on, let alone use it.
Anything based on coast far more likely to have more modern updated equipment installed and just as importantly...likely to actually work.
Basically a very relevant price negociating point if you are going to need to update the nav gear to use in your choosen area.
Google will indicate a decent nav gear/radar/ plotter set up could be 10% of the price of this boat.
 
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oldgit said:
Many used UK boats sourced from inland waterways and inland marinas do tend to have the original kit supplied from new still aboard.This would include the Thames. Some with a stand alone colour depth finder added. .
Hence quite a few with ancient monochrome plotters/radar and fishfinders.
All the old kit still aboard simply because no need to even turn on, let alone use it.
Anything based on coast far more likely to have more modern updated equipment installed and just as importantly...likely to actually work.
Basically a very relevant price negociating point if you are going to need to update the nav gear to use in your choosen area.
Google will indicate a decent nav gear/radar/ plotter set up could be 10% of the price of this boat.
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IMO, on a boat like this a radar is very much a luxury / optional extra. Personally I wouldn't bother with one (I've never used the one that I have).

As for the other stuff, an Axiom 9 can be bought for £1k, a Tridata kit for £500 and an autopilot (if desired) for another £2k.
 
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petem said:
IMO, on a boat like this a radar is very much a luxury / optional extra
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That has much more to see with the type of usage rather than with the type of boat, actually.
There's no reason why someone couldn't want to cruise at night (and/or in fog, heavy rain, whatever) with a S34.
And in such conditions, I wouldn't dismiss a radar as just a luxury.

As an aside, I wholeheartedly disagree that 20yo navkit should be replaced just because the industry (pretty much as they do with mobile phones, PCs, etc.) learned that most pleasure boaters can't resist the bait of having the latest and greatest toys on the dashboard.
I would swap my current Raymarine 10" colour radar with the 10 years older Furuno 8" CRT that I had on the previous one, if given a choice.
 
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MapisM said:
That has much more to see with the type of usage rather than with the type of boat, actually.
There's no reason why someone couldn't want to cruise at night (and/or in fog, heavy rain, whatever) with a S34.
And in such conditions, I wouldn't dismiss a radar as just a luxury.
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Fair enough, and I know it's a sweeping generalisation but (BruceK aside) owns of 34ft Sportcruisers would generally prefer to stay in the marina than venture out in the conditions you describe IMO.

Incidentally, Russ would be wise to check that the radio is a DSC one. If not, then a modern replacement would give him the ability to make DSC calls and also receive / display AIS that might allow him to avoid larger vessels in the event he does get caught out in some fog.
 
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MapisM said:
As an aside, I wholeheartedly disagree that 20yo navkit should be replaced just because the industry (pretty much as they do with mobile phones, PCs, etc.) learned that most pleasure boaters can't resist the bait of having the latest and greatest toys on the dashboard.
I would swap my current Raymarine 10" colour radar with the 10 years older Furuno 8" CRT that I had on the previous one, if given a choice.
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I bet you wouldn't swop your current kit for a black and white plotter though.
 
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petem said:
Fair enough, and I know it's a sweeping generalisation but (BruceK aside) owns of 34ft Sportcruisers would generally prefer to stay in the marina than venture out in the conditions you describe IMO.

Incidentally, Russ would be wise to check that the radio is a DSC one. If not, then a modern replacement would give him the ability to make DSC calls and also receive / display AIS that might allow him to avoid larger vessels in the event he does get caught out in some fog.
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I have been able to make several cross channel journeys with the aid of radar which I would not have considered with out.
 
A colour one would be better of course, but if I'm on a budget the black and white plotter would be quite low down my list of things to fix/change on the boat.
 
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petem said:
Fair enough, and I know it's a sweeping generalisation but (BruceK aside) owns of 34ft Sportcruisers would generally prefer to stay in the marina than venture out in the conditions you describe IMO.
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There speaks a Med boater Pete! :)

I recently upgraded all the electronics on our S34 and really rate radar as a useful tool - whilst I may prefer not to boat in the conditions referred to sometimes in our N. Sea cruisng ground it is unavoidable and can happen unexpectedly!
 
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petem said:
I bet you wouldn't swop your current kit for a black and white plotter though.
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AOTBE no of course, but that's a wrong way to put it.
My point is that the navkit is just a tool for a purpose - for playing, Nintendo and the likes do much better stuff.
So, I'd never replace an old but bullet proof and good quality screen just to get colours, touch screen, faster zoom, or whatever.
I fully agree with julians, in this respect.
 
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MapisM said:
AOTBE no of course, but that's a wrong way to put it.
My point is that the navkit is just a tool for a purpose - for playing, Nintendo and the likes do much better stuff.
So, I'd never replace an old but bullet proof and good quality screen just to get colours, touch screen, faster zoom, or whatever.
I fully agree with julians, in this respect.
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I partly agree, and that's why I have a old (15yo radar which serves as a backup plotter?) plus a newer one mounted on the dash. Might not be the prettiest setup but works perfectly well so I've got no intention of replacing it. But there does get a point where the gap between old and new is so vast that an upgrade is worth it.
 
Come on all stop side tracking on sodding Nav Kit. It is the Boat Russ needs to look at. These are few and far between and time is flying
 
Bigplumbs said:
Come on all stop side tracking on sodding Nav Kit. It is the Boat Russ needs to look at. These are few and far between and time is flying
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Absolutely.

And providing it's got the basics (like a working depth gauge) he shouldn't be worrying about the cost of the nav gear because he can spend as much or as little as he likes at his leisure.
 
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