non-toxic headlining glue

[Sgeir]

any recommendations for a headlining glue that
<ul type="square"> [*]is not toxic
[*]actually works?
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Also, any comments on Evostick Safe 80?

Also, is water-based glue any good?

 

[Talbot]

I bought mine from a motor factors, and it is sold to stick car headlinings .

Hawke House Marine in Gosport will also sell you appropriate glue.

Your main choice is fundamentally about the temperature that the adhesive changes from a solid to a runny substance again and allows the headlining to drop. If you will be permanently in the north of UK, you can get by with a much lower temp adhesive, and it will be a lot cheaper. When I redid my lining, I was anticipating a trip to very high temperatures, and reckon that the glue I used was a major part of the cost of the job.

 

[jerryat]

Yep, go along with Talbot's views.

Give Hawke House a call as they do a special 'High Heat' contact adhesive for just this situation. Others on here have used PVA type glue where the lining is applied to plywood backing sheets, but I have no experience of this.

To reduce the fumes, or at least get them over with quicker, it's best to use a spray adhesive on the vinyl and the HH stuff on the backing if you decide against PVA.

Either way there are still fumes to contend with, so a couple of good fans will help hugely. Oh, and do wear a proper mask, 'cos any of this stuff can have a nasty effect on your breathing - like stopping it!!

 

[Sgeir]

Thanks guys - I've had a look at the Hawke House website and the Tradegrip HH looks about right - it really can get very hot in a good Scottish summer. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Also thanks for the advice re fumes and fans (I assume the mask reduces the intake of spray particulates).

One more thing. Who should apply the glue and spray in the confined space of the quarter berth? I am 6'3" and not terribly slim, whereas Mme Sgeir is much shorter, slimmer, fitter, and generally more flexible.

 

[FullCircle]

::::::::::One more thing. Who should apply the glue and spray in the confined space of the quarter berth? I am 6'3" and not terribly slim, whereas Mme Sgeir is much shorter, slimmer, fitter, and generally more flexible. :::::::::::


Are there not any offspring Sgeirs?, or better still inveigle a fellow forumite with a similar nationalist fervour to yours who may well be evolutionally suited to the task.

Echo the sentiment re the wearing of proper 3M quality mask. It all but eliminates any nasty odours or effects.

 

[VicS]

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Others on here have used PVA type glue where the lining is applied to plywood backing sheets, but I have no experience of this

[/ QUOTE ] I have used water resistant PVA on ply panels. Easy to use & no fumes but only time will confirm its effectiveness. The cheapest was to buy a 5 litre can from HH and I had sufficient left over to ensure that it will be awhile before i need to buy any more for wodworking.

Re FUMES from solvent baesd glues. The solvent, methylbenzne aka toluene, is lethal. It is imperative that you wear an "organic vapours mask" They are available from HH. They may cost a few quid but you have to offset that against the possibility of severe organ damage or even your life. The literature supplied with them does give a maximum concentration against which they are effective but unless you have a means of monitoring toluene in air concetrations that is pretty accademic It does mean that good ventillation is still necessary. I found that by maintaining good ventilation and wearing the mask I could not even smell the stuff.

 

[Sgeir]

You're a gem Jim! I'll invite the grandkids up for a "holiday" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Re "inveigle a fellow forumite with a similar nationalist fervour to yours who may well be evolutionally suited to the task". I'd thought of that but was worried in case he started to interfere with the Eber, the sea toilet, sheep, bits of string that act as a MAB clew, etc etc.

 

[jerryat]

You need to ask?!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[beneteau_305_553]

I've just fitted new headlining.

I used the hawkwhouse HH adhesive applied liberally to the boat only and put the headling on immediatly.

Doing it this way allows repositioning of the headlining if required.
I didn't use a mask which was ok except when I didn't get the headling near enough and had to pull it away. The fumes then were a bit high and a mask would have been a good idea.

At least I know that it's the most powerful, heat resistant adhesive so its been done and won't need to be done again!

 

[VicS]

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At least I know that it's the most powerful, heat resistant adhesive so its been done and won't need to be done again!

[/ QUOTE ] The foam backing usually fails so if you used a foam backed material it'll need doing again!

 

[jerryat]

"The foam backing usually fails so if you used a foam backed material it'll need doing again!"

Possibly. But not for at least 15 - 20 years, and my boat will be in some other proud owner's care by then!!

 

[MIKE_MCKIE]

Also looking at replacing the sidelining in the forepeak & have the HH vinyl & glue. However anyone got any ideas on ambient temperature required? All the literature is on the boat & don't particularly want to traipse down to do the job & find its too cold/damp whatever.
Also does anyone rent out their kids??? I am also 6'3" & not quite so flexible these days & SWMBO does not participate in my (to her) lunatic sport.
Agree with Jerryat regards life of foam backed vinyl. Mine finally gave up the ghost after about 30 years & was the original material from build. It took us days with an electric abrasive disc to get the old foam & glue off the GRP, and many, many months to finally get rid of all the residue from around the interior of the boat. Mercifully I shall no longer be polluting the earth by the time it needs doing again!

 

[VicS]

I did mine during the winter layup although it was early spring I suppose by the time I got round to sticking in the new stuff. The only temperature limitation seems to be "Do not store below 10C" Condensation will be your biggest worry I suggest. You won't want to work when it is very cold anyway because you won't want to be wearing too much restrictve clothing, and the need for ventillation rules out any heating unless you heat the whole boat yard.

Btw I applied the glue to the grp and a spray on adhesive to the lining. Both from HH.