Nice boat here:

[gaylord694]

Not sure why we have to agree or disagree, particularly as I have not expressed an opinion, unlike you. All I did was explain why the seller and potential buyers might think the boat is worth that amount.

Because unless I'm mistaken your words were " A HIGHLY DESIRABLE BOAT !! ". I'm merely pointing out that Im agreeing to disagree on your comment or putting it bluntly an absolute joke for that kind of money whether you think so or not ... .. Yours unfortunately was an opinion mine I'm afraid was fact

 

[Mark L]

Always interesting to hear from people with actual experience. If I had to buy a modern styled boat of that type the 290 would be at the top end of my list.
What things are you not so keen on?

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The main intrinsic problem is that the hull shape means she suffers from weather helm at relatively low heel angles, so upwind she won't tolerate being overpowered. The fractional rig helps as you can take a lot of power out with the backstay, but even so, when the wind goes above 25kts, I find myself running out of reefs. I plan to add deeper reefs when I replace the main, but going upwind can be a chore in strong winds. Completely worth it when you are able to ease the main off a fraction though...

Other than that, it is mainly details. The tanks feel like a bit of an afterthought. The diesel tank is small (60l) and doesn't make best use of space. The water tank is just a soft tank under one of the settees and is far too small for an extended trip. I carry an extra 80l of fuel and 80l of water in jerry cans in the cockpit locker. As I said, the locker is vast and this still leaves room for fenders, warps, a tender and a couple of paddle boards, so not a huge issue, but would be easier if the tanks had been better thought out to start with. The bow roller is far too short for the plumb bow and I am planning to extend this to allow the anchor to stay permanently on the bow (currently lives in the chain locker). Sheet winches are a bit on the light side for the size of the genoa, and the saloon table is a poor design and very wobbly when folded out. The two-blade folding prop (which I think was standard) is great for sailing, but painful when trying to make progress into short seas (again on the list to replace).

 

[Poecheng]

Ex owner of a S290 so I have no current skin in the game.
These are excellent boats and the stand-out boat at or about that size for the cruising market.
The price is not, as one poster has suggested, a joke; it is the market price. I have bought and sold one so I know the facts, at least in relation to one boat. You can laugh at the price if you want but you will never be an owner of one, you will just see others sailing them and sailing faster than you.
We only sold because we wanted something quite a bit bigger for the pre and post retirement times and my chief concern was finding something that sailed as well - we went for a Stephen Jones design !

 

[SaltyC]

Because unless I'm mistaken your words were " A HIGHLY DESIRABLE BOAT !! ". I'm merely pointing out that Im agreeing to disagree on your comment or putting it bluntly an absolute joke for that kind of money whether you think so or not ... .. Yours unfortunately was an opinion mine I'm afraid was fact

Confused.com, Tranona's comment was opinion, yet your opinion is fact?!?

Everyone has different requirements of a boat, no doubt you feel ALL wedish boats are overpriced and feel AWB's are perfectly adequate for you?

MarkL's comments are based on experience and (to me) hence of value.

Yes, I had a 31 footer that carried weather helm to windward over 30 knots and failed to make progress, a (very) deep 3rd reef solved the problem.

Yes, tankage is a problem on smaller boats, failure to maximise space available is poor desig /build.

Anchor problem with plumb bow, an early adopter of naer Plumb bows, no an excuse but early adopters bring their own problems.

Missthe next 2, found on many boats, the 2 blade egg whisk, Hmmm been there had that, 3 blade folder far superior but more expensive, an option that you can select?

 

[Poecheng]

Re the two-blade folder.
Worth checking the size of the blades. Habebty of this parish found his were undersized and I followed his example ( and Sillette Sonic agreed) and increased the blade size (same hub) and all was good.

 

[SaltyC]

Re the two-blade folder.
Worth checking the size of the blades. Habebty of this parish found his were undersized and I followed his example ( and Sillette Sonic agreed) and increased the blade size (same hub) and all was good.

Far cheaper than my solution of changing the boat. Although I did get more accommodation, comfort and 55hp not 18hp.

 

[Tranona]

Because unless I'm mistaken your words were " A HIGHLY DESIRABLE BOAT !! ". I'm merely pointing out that Im agreeing to disagree on your comment or putting it bluntly an absolute joke for that kind of money whether you think so or not ... .. Yours unfortunately was an opinion mine I'm afraid was fact

Yes - desirable because it is fact that people pay a premium price compared with other similar sized boats. That is fact - not my opinion. Having seen some of your other observations on desirability of boats (or otherwise) I would guess you are probably not in a position to appreciate how others might choose to spend their £50k or so on a boat..

 

[Tranona]

Re the two-blade folder.
Worth checking the size of the blades. Habebty of this parish found his were undersized and I followed his example ( and Sillette Sonic agreed) and increased the blade size (same hub) and all was good.

Yes, Other 2 blade folders do not necessarily suffer from poor performance. However the standard 20hp motor is a bit marginal for a 4.9 tonne displacement boat. The 30hp fitted to the boat in this thread will be much better in this respect.

 

[gaylord694]

Yes - desirable because it is fact that people pay a premium price compared with other similar sized boats. That is fact - not my opinion. Having seen some of your other observations on desirability of boats (or otherwise) I would guess you are probably not in a position to appreciate how others might choose to spend their £50k or so on a boat..

If your implying that I prefer to spend my money on a top quality older better boat that hasn't got a rear end as wide as a bus then yes your absolutely right. I'm pleased that you prefer plastic fantastic bathtubs that means there's more selection of cheaper boats as you point out for myself and other like minded souls .......

 

[WoodyP]

Any connection? I thought advertising was not allowed. Nice boat.

 

[mrming]

Wonder what the typical brief is for someone buying one of these? It’s not exactly a looker so it can’t be row away factor. Although Jones is a good designer, there are plenty of boats that sail just as well.

Cheap running costs because of short LOA is surely nonsense compared to say a 32-33 footer. It would take a long time to offset the difference in the purchase price.

Based on the Welsh coast, want to dry out on hard sand, want a more modern build with no droopy headlining?

 

[Buck Turgidson]

It's half the price of an RM 890 which I guess is the modern equivalent.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

All those photos, asking that much money - and nobody thought to pump out the heads??

It's incredible that that picture is shown.

 

[Tranona]

If your implying that I prefer to spend my money on a top quality older better boat that hasn't got a rear end as wide as a bus then yes your absolutely right. I'm pleased that you prefer plastic fantastic bathtubs that means there's more selection of cheaper boats as you point out for myself and other like minded souls .......

Not implying anything other than maybe you don't have £50k to spend on a boat so are not in a position to judge whether the boat in question is good value.

I actually own a boat in your preferred category (my second of the type in 45 years) - but I was able to buy it for not very much money because so few people want them. However it is only really "older", and although very expensive when new it is poor quality compared with many modern boats and for most people it would be considered inferior.

That is why people are prepared to pay £50k - or whatever for a vastly superior boat for their needs. Or indeed in my case spend well over £100k for a new beautifully built fat arsed modern boat in 2015.

Generally speaking most boat owners are rational people and look at what is available for the money they have to spend and choose a boat that they think meets their requirements. It may be an old cramped slow boat that they think looks pretty, but more likely not because the alternatives that are available now are better suited to their needs.

Neither is right or wrong so it is really not nice for you to be rude about the choices other people make. But you are right - if you don't have much money you probably don't have the same choice as those who are able to spend more.

 

[gaylord694]

Unfortunately you were the one who's been rude implying I don't have the funds to purchase a £50k boat....You know nothing of my financial situation so to to be honest I don't think your in a position to comment. My original point being that I personally wouldn't pay that amount for a 29ft yacht.........I love seeing beautiful older boats with character and as you say a row away appeal....

 

[Buck Turgidson]

My problem is I can't afford to own the cramped old slow boats that I think are pretty! Buy possible, own no chance.

 

[gaylord694]

My problem is I can't afford to own the cramped old slow boats that I think are pretty! Buy possible, own no chance.

I don't think any boat is cheap to keep Its going cost some kind of money just for mooring her but hey ho better than leaving it to the kids

 

[Tranona]

Unfortunately you were the one who's been rude implying I don't have the funds to purchase a £50k boat....You know nothing of my financial situation so to to be honest I don't think your in a position to comment. My original point being that I personally wouldn't pay that amount for a 29ft yacht.........I love seeing beautiful older boats with character and as you say a row away appeal....

Just because you personally would not pay that amount for a 29' boat does not mean it is overpriced - and why is length of the boat important? the only thing that determines the price is is what the seller and buyer agree upon. As you are neither in this case your opinion is irrelevant.

 

[gaylord694]

My problem is I can't afford to own the cramped old slow boats that I think are pretty! Buy possible, own no chance.

I happen to think by the way David you've a fantastic looking boat .. . I love the lines

Just because you personally would not pay that amount for a 29' boat does not mean it is overpriced - and why is length of the boat important? the only thing that determines the price is is what the seller and buyer agree upon. As you are neither in this case your opinion is irrelevant.

Thankyou for the apology.... .

 

[doug748]

Any connection? I thought advertising was not allowed. Nice boat.

I must come clean, I was sort of hoping that someone on here might be looking for this style of boat. Most people are pretty positive about them. A quite rare boat but, blow me, here is another on the market:

Sadler 290 Sailing Yachts for sale UK, used Sadler Sailing Yachts, new Sadler yacht sales, free photo ads - Apollo Duck

A bit cheaper so that should please some. However, looking at used prices generally, I don't think 50 grand is totally out of line, you might buy an inferior spec 32 or 33 for the same money - in a similar way that I can buy mince pies at Poundland for a fraction of the price at Waitrose.

Not my style of boat if you just consider sailing, but boat buying is more complicated than that.

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