Robin
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Re: Errrrr....
Didn't (s)he win the Stuart Turner Prize?
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Didn't (s)he win the Stuart Turner Prize?
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Re: Errrrr....
phoarr. those thermals seem very revealing! From the way she is standing, I am fairly sure she's from Bingley.
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phoarr. those thermals seem very revealing! From the way she is standing, I am fairly sure she's from Bingley.
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lady_jane
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Phew !! what a lot of replies . thanks to all those who took my quest seriously and offered helpful advice . to those doubting thomas's I'm determine to repair the ribs myself!! Pity it degenerated into what can only be describe as rubbish in house "banter" irrelivant to my original request for help . Frightening really Oh well there you go I suspose. First post and "Ripped " to bits .
Jane
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Twister_Ken
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Words of encouragement
Persevere!
If you're near a decent public library, there are several books that you might be able to get out, on care and repair of wooden boats. Unfortunately, I can't remember the names of any of them, but maybe someone else can chip in?
Also, Classic Boat magazine back issues might be useful. I no longer take it, but I seem to recall they've done quite a lot on fixing manky old wooden boats!
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Persevere!
If you're near a decent public library, there are several books that you might be able to get out, on care and repair of wooden boats. Unfortunately, I can't remember the names of any of them, but maybe someone else can chip in?
Also, Classic Boat magazine back issues might be useful. I no longer take it, but I seem to recall they've done quite a lot on fixing manky old wooden boats!
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tome
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Jane
If you are going to do the frames yourself, the easiest way is to 'sister' the broken ones by putting new ones alongside where they are broken, leaving the old ones in place. The way I've done it is to make up a cardboard template of the hull where the new frames go and to use a large board with fixed wooden blocks and wedges to form the shape using the template as a guide. Laminating is easy as long as the strips are thin and you work one per day (2 on the first day) to let the adhesive set. They should overlap the broken frames by at least 3 or 4 strakes to spread the load, more if possible. Make the strips longer than you need and laminate at least 5 strips. Once finished you can plane/sand them and cut them to length.
Use the same fastenings as for the existing frames otherwise you may get electrolysis.
Good luck with the Stuart Turner - lovely to look at but utter pigs to start when warm.
Tom
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If you are going to do the frames yourself, the easiest way is to 'sister' the broken ones by putting new ones alongside where they are broken, leaving the old ones in place. The way I've done it is to make up a cardboard template of the hull where the new frames go and to use a large board with fixed wooden blocks and wedges to form the shape using the template as a guide. Laminating is easy as long as the strips are thin and you work one per day (2 on the first day) to let the adhesive set. They should overlap the broken frames by at least 3 or 4 strakes to spread the load, more if possible. Make the strips longer than you need and laminate at least 5 strips. Once finished you can plane/sand them and cut them to length.
Use the same fastenings as for the existing frames otherwise you may get electrolysis.
Good luck with the Stuart Turner - lovely to look at but utter pigs to start when warm.
Tom
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mickshep
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Hi Jane. Welcome to the madhouse. The Folk Boat is an excellent yacht well deserving its reputation. Regarding the Stuart Turner I bought a reconditioned 8hp from a retired marine engineer who restores them for a hobby, his name was Stan Flowers and he was if I remember right based in Faversham. Once installed it could be started hot or cold by kicking the engine over using a foot against the flywheel. (this became a party piece for the I hate S.T brigade.) It is still running perfectly 3 years on and the dyno start is perfectly adequate for the limited electrics aboard my old 5 tonner. IMHO the biggest problem with them is that they are old and in many cases neglected, give them the rebuild they deserve and you should have no problems and at a fraction of the price of replacement, there was an 8 hp one in running order up here a while back, will make some enquires if you want? One thing worth checking though, the silencer fills up with oily crud and is in my opinion the biggest cause of problems with these engines. Hope this helps, Regards, Mike.
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Sybarite
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<< So don't worry about it - it's good to have new blood>> ---SPILT !
Welcome Fair Lady.
John
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Welcome Fair Lady.
John
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Spuddy
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tome has put you on the right track. Use cling film etc over the mould so that the laminated bits don't stick down permanently. The crucial thing is which adhesive to use? If you're doing the replacements somewhere warm, then epoxy is reliable but pricy and wasteful. I've used some Balcotan polyurethane on an old chine boat and on 2 laminated tillers - get it from the chandlers; the specification sounds wonderful but hope it stands up to regular immersion. Shaping the curved face of the frame to fit the hull? I' ve got all the spokeshaves and draw knives but maybe an abrasive disc in a drill would be more 21st C. Fixings - not brass or stainless. Bronze probably or copper boat nails and roves as the others are fastened.
Folkboats are a classic - mines a plastic cousin. best of luck. Tried the folkboat link onthe RYA site?
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Folkboats are a classic - mines a plastic cousin. best of luck. Tried the folkboat link onthe RYA site?
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sailbadthesinner
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Re: doubting thomas
you asked for advice and some thought it was better to get a yard involved
not really doubting doubting thomas just a bit of advice
i was about to go into a spiel about how we are not doubting thomas's
but i will come clean we are
one guy here bought a benny to go around the world and we doubted he would get to brighton
then we doubted we doubted he would leave brighton
then we doubted he would make france
the spain
current bets are we doubt he will return an englishman
<hr width=100% size=1><font color=red>if guinness is good for you. i must be very very good</font color=red>
you asked for advice and some thought it was better to get a yard involved
not really doubting doubting thomas just a bit of advice
i was about to go into a spiel about how we are not doubting thomas's
but i will come clean we are
one guy here bought a benny to go around the world and we doubted he would get to brighton
then we doubted we doubted he would leave brighton
then we doubted he would make france
the spain
current bets are we doubt he will return an englishman
<hr width=100% size=1><font color=red>if guinness is good for you. i must be very very good</font color=red>
lady_jane
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Thanks Mike for the encouragement and the rest of you who offered advice. Being a dental nurse money is not in abundance as it appears to be to some on these forums.I have been ripped off with buying this boat .Naively(if thats spelt right)paying well over what I now know to be the market value after following the advice of a so called"wooden boat expert". I'm now just about skint and with a boat which needs more than just TLC but I love it to bits and I'm determine to repair & sail it myself. Need to get my head around this ST bit though .Thanks for your offer but am in Devon. Maybe Im a bit sensitive but have been put off asking for further advice with the way this thread turned out.
Jane
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KipH
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You could check out the forum on FB Association website. There seems to be some good stuff on there:-
http://www.zyworld.com/folkboats
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http://www.zyworld.com/folkboats
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ashanta
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Jane,
I have been following the threads and I can understand your reaction. For a practical boat owners forum maybe some have missed the plot?
I thought when reading you had bought a Folk boat (excellent yacht in their own right) that you had probably bought a problem that either money or experienced time/help would cure.
Wooden boats are beautiful when in top condition and they can look optimistically good potential when they are in poor state but sadly that is why GRP is popular. the maintenance is bad enough but repairs can very expensive.
Once the banter is over these guys will give you some excellent advice to go with your excellent yacht and they will honestly steer you in the right direction.
There some good yards in Devon (I only know the south coast of Devon) that could help you and one I know would allow you to work in his yard while you carry out whatever repairs without using his services.i.e storage rent with expert advice or services if required otherwise you get on with it yourself without hassle.
I dont know of your sailing experience but the comments about the FB are justified. I sailed in them in Denmark and although sometimes wet the are an excellent sailing boat.
Good luck with your project and dont be put of by the few.
best wishes.
Peter.
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I have been following the threads and I can understand your reaction. For a practical boat owners forum maybe some have missed the plot?
I thought when reading you had bought a Folk boat (excellent yacht in their own right) that you had probably bought a problem that either money or experienced time/help would cure.
Wooden boats are beautiful when in top condition and they can look optimistically good potential when they are in poor state but sadly that is why GRP is popular. the maintenance is bad enough but repairs can very expensive.
Once the banter is over these guys will give you some excellent advice to go with your excellent yacht and they will honestly steer you in the right direction.
There some good yards in Devon (I only know the south coast of Devon) that could help you and one I know would allow you to work in his yard while you carry out whatever repairs without using his services.i.e storage rent with expert advice or services if required otherwise you get on with it yourself without hassle.
I dont know of your sailing experience but the comments about the FB are justified. I sailed in them in Denmark and although sometimes wet the are an excellent sailing boat.
Good luck with your project and dont be put of by the few.
best wishes.
Peter.
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BrendanS
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<<For a practical boat owners forum maybe some have missed the plot?
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However, this is scuttlebutt, not PBO. Anything on Scuttlebutt tends to get taken with a lot more irreverence and mirth, though usually gets there in the end, with a lot of banter interspersed. A posting on PBO would receive a far more considered response without the banter. Both have their place.
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However, this is scuttlebutt, not PBO. Anything on Scuttlebutt tends to get taken with a lot more irreverence and mirth, though usually gets there in the end, with a lot of banter interspersed. A posting on PBO would receive a far more considered response without the banter. Both have their place.
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Gordonmc
Active member
Jane,
I can appreciate your reaction to the "negative" aspects of the thread. Perhaps the tone of some posts would have been more helpful coming from the Classic Boat or PBO forae.
The best advice I can give is: "Don't let the bu**ers grind you down."
Of course there are jobs on a boat which many owners would be happy to leave to professional shipwrights for reasons of experience or time constraints. But there are also many reasons why other owners want to do as much as humanly possible to do the work themselves and learn in the process.
While the yards might help with advice my experience has been they really are not interested in taking on too much wooden boat structural work... too much time for not enough payback.
Looking back on some of the jobs I have successfully completed since buying my woody I realise I would probably not have even started out if I had known about some of the problems earlier on. And that's the point.
All you need are the resources to find out how to do the job and these forums can be invaluable if you ignore the chaff.
You have already had good advice about sistering and lamination. It might be useful to take a look at another forum, www.woodenboatworld.com. The Americans seem to be more on top of illustrating their posts with photos and there have been several posts which might give you some confidence.
Don't lose faith in your purchase. The Folkboat is a very capable sea-boat and much admired by sailors. Sadly because below decks they don't have caravan accommodation they are frequently passed by.
Keep the questions coming. Most of the answers I might give will have come originally from the forums!
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I can appreciate your reaction to the "negative" aspects of the thread. Perhaps the tone of some posts would have been more helpful coming from the Classic Boat or PBO forae.
The best advice I can give is: "Don't let the bu**ers grind you down."
Of course there are jobs on a boat which many owners would be happy to leave to professional shipwrights for reasons of experience or time constraints. But there are also many reasons why other owners want to do as much as humanly possible to do the work themselves and learn in the process.
While the yards might help with advice my experience has been they really are not interested in taking on too much wooden boat structural work... too much time for not enough payback.
Looking back on some of the jobs I have successfully completed since buying my woody I realise I would probably not have even started out if I had known about some of the problems earlier on. And that's the point.
All you need are the resources to find out how to do the job and these forums can be invaluable if you ignore the chaff.
You have already had good advice about sistering and lamination. It might be useful to take a look at another forum, www.woodenboatworld.com. The Americans seem to be more on top of illustrating their posts with photos and there have been several posts which might give you some confidence.
Don't lose faith in your purchase. The Folkboat is a very capable sea-boat and much admired by sailors. Sadly because below decks they don't have caravan accommodation they are frequently passed by.
Keep the questions coming. Most of the answers I might give will have come originally from the forums!
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robp
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I haven't read all this thread, so sorry if its duplicated. However have you seen this? click here
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Stuarts ...... There's a guy in Emsworth who advertises in the Local Solent area free=ads ...... he buys and sells 'em, used good parts etc. etc. Sorry but I don't have his contact details ... maybe a Solent based forum person can do the honours ?? (Funny that the main thing I remember of the stuarts my father had on his boats ..... started HOt or cold, but when at running temp ..... NEVER ! And his used to stop unexpectedly as well !!!
Frames ....... temporary solution is to fabricate alongside the broken frame in laminated layers - both sides. But permanent should be done properly scarfed in and shaped.
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I came - cos they said was FREE Guinness !
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Frames ....... temporary solution is to fabricate alongside the broken frame in laminated layers - both sides. But permanent should be done properly scarfed in and shaped.
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Bilge Keelers get up further ! I came - cos they said was FREE Guinness !
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