New Turkey residence visa

[sailaboutvic]

It is clear that travel insurance is not being accept as a Heath insurance for a RP . Too much people have now said this is the case , this is one of the problem why people that I know are not wintering out there this year , I for one wouldn't want to pay out hundreds of pounds on an insurance just to winter out in another country .
Re the tax problem in Greece , ( what problem ) any way you can't compare the two country , for a one is part of the EU and he other is not .
I agree presser should be brought apond Turkey , but it need to be brought by the people who have got the most to lose ie marinas and other bussinss ,
I am in no doubt that as soon Marinas start feel the pinch things will start to change ,

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[akyaka]

It is clear that travel insurance is not being accept as a Heath insurance for a RP . Too much people have now said this is the case ,

Strangely Vic this is at odds with what people who have property are saying and have got 6 months residencies

 

[sailaboutvic]

Strangely Vic this is at odds with what people who have property are saying and have got 6 months residencies

The problem is 6 months isn't enough , most people winter for six months alone as you prob know then they want to cruise for some month or there no point in going to Turkey , so most are looking for a year permit .
We at the moment are sailing the south Peloponnese and we would head towards Turkey , no problem if it wasn't for the costs involve .
It been over 13 years last time I was there and love to go back , but it looks like the only way we can do that at the moment is on a 90 day permit .


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[akyaka]

The problem is 6 months isn't enough

Travel insurance is acceptable for any stay of less than a year and that was stated by the Ministry following a meeting on the 23 May 2014 with the British Consulate in Ankara in which a number of clarifications were made.This is the extract:

"A travel health insurance will be asked from those who will stay in Turkey less than one year. If the “travel health insurance” does not cover the full period of their stay in Turkey, the residence permit will be issued, but they will be given a notification to extend their insurance, otherwise permit will be cancelled. "

From those that have gone down this route they say there is no requirement to notify the Ministry that you have extended the insurance and as a friend says if picked up on a check they have no problems as whenever they are in Turkey they have health insurance, in their case a free one with a UK Bank Account.

Vic it is not currently a 90 day permit in the way that you had some 13 years ago . Now there is a right for UK citizens to stay 90 days in 180 days counted backwards from date of leaving ( Schengen Rule); the E visa is merely a permission for the actual period of the 180 days, hence why the 90 days in 180 can overlap E visas.

 

[charles_reed]

Hi

Please keep us all updated , I can now confirm that 12 boats have now decided to not winter out in Turkey , two more we met the other day heading for Sicily , because of the problem you have outlaid . Two boats we know , rather lost there deposit then having to pay out the extra out lay , I personally feel it very importation that the right info on cost is known before any deposit if paid for marina berth .

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Answering Squeaky's ?
Of 11 boats that I met last season, which had overwintered 2013/4 in Turkey, only the 3 Turkish boats and one NZ boat intended to do so this winter 2014/5.
Most cited cost-increases as their reason for deciding to go - not statutory restrictions.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Travel insurance is acceptable for any stay of less than a year and that was stated by the Ministry following a meeting on the 23 May 2014 with the British Consulate in Ankara in which a number of clarifications were made.This is the extract:

"A travel health insurance will be asked from those who will stay in Turkey less than one year. If the “travel health insurance” does not cover the full period of their stay in Turkey, the residence permit will be issued, but they will be given a notification to extend their insurance, otherwise permit will be cancelled. "

From those that have gone down this route they say there is no requirement to notify the Ministry that you have extended the insurance and as a friend says if picked up on a check they have no problems as whenever they are in Turkey they have health insurance, in their case a free one with a UK Bank Account.

Vic it is not currently a 90 day permit in the way that you had some 13 years ago . Now there is a right for UK citizens to stay 90 days in 180 days counted backwards from date of leaving ( Schengen Rule); the E visa is merely a permission for the actual period of the 180 days, hence why the 90 days in 180 can overlap E visas.

Once again you lost me .
Bear with me .
OK let just say I arrived in Turkey in June and want to spend the winter and leave say aug the following years , that 14 months .

The way I understand it , I first would have to get an 90 day visa which would aloud me to stay for 90 days in any 180 days at the end of the 180 I could then apply for another 90 days in another 180 days .
BUT has I plain to stay for 14 months without leaving , at the end of the 90 days or near the end I need to apply for a residency permit ( please correct me if I am wrong ) and that's for a year , now to get a full year permit I will need a year Heath insurance to cover that period and as it a year then an travel the insurance wouldn't be accepted .
What part have I and other are getting wrong .

Last thing , your last post " Now there is a right for UK citizens to stay 90 days in 180 days counted backwards from date of leaving " leaving where ? I understand the 180 days started from when your 90 days came into play .
Or are you saying , if I apply for A 90 /180 in June , ( June till end of Nov ) used 60 days ( say June July ) left Turkey returned in Nov and use the last 30 days and left I can't apply for another one till 180 days from Nov ?

 

[Squeaky]

Answering Squeaky's ?
Of 11 boats that I met last season, which had overwintered 2013/4 in Turkey, only the 3 Turkish boats and one NZ boat intended to do so this winter 2014/5.
Most cited cost-increases as their reason for deciding to go - not statutory restrictions.

Good evening:

Yes, I frequently hear people complaining about the increased cost of living however was caught out myself recently when I stopped considering steaks for supper because of the ridiculous cost (37 to 42 lira). In my mind steaks should be priced around 17 to 20 lira which I recall was the price in 2005 at one of my favourite restaurants.

I did a bit of research on XE.com and discovered that I had been paying $Cdn 18.00 back in 2005 and now would be paying something like $Cdn 19.00/20.00 if the price is 40 lira. I remembered that I have had several increases in my pension since 2005 and if I could afford $Cdn 18.00 in 2005 I could afford $Cdn19.00 now so steak is back on the list to be considered from time to time.

I hear any number of Brits complaining about the increased cost however they forget to consider that the exchange rate for sterling against the lira has been very much in their favour over the past year or two and I think they would get the same surprise I did if they consider how much the swing in the exchange rate has benefited them.

In any event I still find costs bearable in Turkey and feel very sorry for local people who work for a living as they have really been hurt by inflation as their salaries are paid in lira and does not increase in the same way that my income does because of changes in the exchange rate. I recently read in a local paper that a police constable in Istanbul receives 45 lira a day after five years service - try raising a family and living on that if you think you have been hard done by because of the inflation.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[akyaka]

Once again you lost me .

If you want a residency permit less than one year ( one month to 11 months ) you only need travel insurance and it does not have to cover the full period.Whats to lose in that .

Yet again you appear to want to change the question I thought we had put a 12 month RP to bed, where you need full health insurance if under 65, and were discussing one for less than this period. Varying your example if you wanted to stay 12/13 months you can come in on an E visa and apply for an 11 month RP and for that you would only need travel insurance.

Last thing , your last post " Now there is a right for UK citizens to stay 90 days in 180 days counted backwards from date of leaving " leaving where ? I understand the 180 days started from when your 90 days came into play .
Or are you saying , if I apply for A 90 /180 in June , ( June till end of Nov ) used 60 days ( say June July ) left Turkey returned in Nov and use the last 30 days and left I can't apply for another one till 180 days from Nov ?

As we are talking about Turkey I thought it was obvious. The 180 days is only related to the 90 days by being days between which you can spend time in Turkey .If you get an E visa on the 1st January you do not have to enter then but can enter and leave as often as you like between the two dates which are 180 days apart as long as you do not exceed your permitted days.I do not know what you mean by "another one" Taking your example which is mostly correct. You apply for a 180 day E visa at beginning of June which lasts until end of November and spend 60 days ( June/July) in Turkey. If you return in November you will still have a valid E visa and at the end of the month will have used up your 90 days counting backwards from your day of departure. The earliest that you can return to Turkey is early December when you start to drop off the June visit daysfrom your 90 day allowance and would need to get a new E visa to allow you to enter the country demonstrating that the 90 days can straddle E visas.
It aint easy and as I said before was thought up by and is applicable throughout the Schengen countries, Turkey merely follows the same rules. If the UK drops out of the EU we would have to do these same calculations if wanting to sail in Greece,France , Spain , Italy etc

If you want to play what ifs in readiness for the UK withdrawal from the EU this is a good link http://www.akbukturkey.com/visa_calculator.html

 

[sailaboutvic]

Right , something I didn't know and have just learned from you last posting ,
I thought the shortest RP you can get was for a year , I didn't realise you could get one month two months and so on , so that explain some of the problem .
Almost every one I know who has left Turkey or didn't end up going , they all wanted at less a year and long RP so that was one of the problems with Insurance and I agree with all of them , I wouldn't pay out hundreds of pounds in insurance just to spend time in Turkey .

you have brought a different picture on it now , if your right it mean , one could go into Turkey with an 90 E visa , weeks before it runs out apply for a (say ) 10 or 11 months RP , and if you are correct that they will except a travel insurance , it make it all a bit more feasible , for us any way that off course as long as they except a winter contact and not a year contract as an address .

 

[akyaka]

Right , something I didn't know and have just learned from you last posting ,
I thought the shortest RP you can get was for a year , I didn't realise you could get one month two months and so on , so that explain some of the problem

RPs of less than one years duration was mentioned in posts #2,9,19,29,34,40 and 44

if your right

I quote from an official communique from the Turkish Ministry to the UK Embassy and which is in the public domain .

one could go into Turkey with an 90 E visa , weeks before it runs out apply for a (say ) 10 or 11 months RP ,

Despite continual explanation you have not grasped that the E visa lasts for 180 days. What I believe you meant to say is when you are near the allowed 90 days assuming you have done this in one lump you can apply.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Thanks for take the time to explain it all , yes I have got the grasp that the E visa last any 90 days in an 180 days and that it countered from the first day , it comes in use , A long way back , I keep calling it a 90 e visa to simplify it , not to wind you up
RP , No it didn't register , I took that that RP was for a min of a year ,, and so may I say do a lot of other people .
Referring people to that link on your last posting but one , it explains it a bit better .

Which ever way you look at it , they have made it very difficult for people to winter over and cruise Turkey .
Even if you can use an travel insurances , for us who are sailing we can't just pop into Thomas cook in the high street and buy a six or what ever months cover , it not that easy And still we will need to get it translated at another cost . Also it might be posable to sort this all out with out an agent for people who live in Turkey and know their way round , for the rest I can see it a night mare , that's if it can be done , people we know that have been turned away and told they need an agent .
So for the foreseeable future Turkey will have to wait .
Again thank , you can go back to your morning coffee now .

 

[Dig]

Turkey has got too greedy,riping the boat owners off with agents fees,blue card racket and ridiculous marina fees up 20% this year plus all the other stuff,you are wise to give it a miss.

 

[Squeaky]

Turkey has got too greedy,riping the boat owners off with agents fees,blue card racket and ridiculous marina fees up 20% this year plus all the other stuff,you are wise to give it a miss.

Good morning:

I have often read or heard ridiculous generalizations in the past however I must make a note of this one in case I should ever decide to make a list of the most silly ones I have noticed.

Cheers

Squeaky