macd
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Annual contract is absolutely NOT required. Been there, done that for four year ikamet on a one-winter contract.
New Turkey residence visa
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Annual contract is absolutely NOT required. Been there, done that for four year ikamet on a one-winter contract.
sailaboutvic
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On behalf of everyone thanks for that info .
Question , are you here this winter ? Are you staying on the boat thought out the winter ? If so what was the full total of the cost for you , including agent fees insurance blue card , log, permit and so on , I like to compare it to good reliable info I have from Liveaboard that I know , .
one ex sample
Couple first time in Turkey .
Visa 90 days 25 e each transit log 60E blue card 10e agent 50e so that170 euros to entry on a 90 days visa ( or whatever you wish to call it )
Now if you want to stay the full winter with the boat , you ned to apply for a residency visa . Cost 200 per person . And you need to buy insurance local Turkish insurance I understand is 1200 per person , then there notary and translation! Charges on top of all that , unless I am mistaken that come to 2600 plus the the 170 you have already paid .
Please put me right and other right if some how we got this wrong .
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akyaka
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sailaboutvic
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Re read it all , no wHere in the thread does it say the full cost will be around 2600 from the min you enter Turkey till you eventually apply and get your residency visa which will in able you to stay for a year without leaving . So I ask the question again , is this the full cost of being able to stay in Turkey for a year including the 90 day ( what ever you wish to call it ( visa)) or are all my friends who are there now and also the once that have turned around got it all wrong . It a very simple question .
If Full cost = every thing you. need to have to be able to apply for a residency to stay for a full year .
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akyaka
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Answer related to question asked. Oh and you are confusing Euros and TL
sailaboutvic
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Thank you for not answering a simple question .
If I was asked how much is the full cost of entering and staying in Greece , Croatia I could answer it with out keep on saying , the question has been answered . Maybe it best to leave to someone who can answer it .
Copy of part of one email from people who are on the ground in Turkey .
""" The first thing you do coming in Turkey is buying a visa for bouth of us (=25 € x 2 per= 50 €). Then you have to buy a transitlog (= 60 € for 1 year, and everytime you leave Turkey with the boat you have to buy a new one) and you also have to buy a "blue card" (=10 €). With this card the coastguard can check if you don't empty the holdingtanks in the sea but in the marina's. And for all of this you have to use an "agent" (because nobody wants to do anything if you try it yourself) and this person costs normally 50 €. So we payed already 170 € just to enter Turkey. Boat can stay here for 1 year, we for 90 days in a period of 180 days.
problem with the health security.
Not a problem: we can take a Turkisch secrurity. Small problem: for our ages (yes, we're getting old) it's 1200 € a person (= 2400 € for 1 year!).
Did you do the calculation already??? It will be for sure already 2800 € not speaking about notary and translation! For english persons I don't know the prices."""
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sailaboutvic
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Hi Mac
Have you apply for a residency permit this year ie after April 2014 with just a winter contact ?
Thanks
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macd
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Hi Vic. I got my ikamet a year ago under the old system. Can't recall exact cost (for four years) but not huge. No need for agent or translator. Our marina, Finike, carefully checked requirements under new law, found that all save health ins if sub-65 were not onerous. In fact most didn't apply at all.
For guidance with our ikamet we used a site, link to which I can't find (sorry), but googling "kalkan ikamet guidance" should find it. The main bugbear in the old and new systems seems to be if application is linked to a property: that's when bank accounts/proof of income kick in. For liveaboards, it's much simpler.
akyaka
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Residency costs vary depending on nationality but the majority are the same as those for the UK which are 25US$ for first month and 5US$ for each subsequent month, but payable in TL at the exchange rate on the day( for Belgians its cheaper at 9US$ first month , then 2.50 US$ per month).In addition there is a one off fee of 50TL for the card.The people you quote from sailaboutvic seemed to have paid a lot for health insurance but as everywhere costs of insurances vary between companies and are age and health dependant. Our neighbours who renewed in May paid 4500 TL for full in and out cover for the two of them and they are 69, another neighbour who is in their 50's paid 1200 TL for the same cover as they have to wait 12 months before they can apply for SGK the Government Health insurance , which is around 275 TL per month per couple. As they are local insurances no notorised translation was required.Notorised translation of a foreign travel insurance can be up to 300TL I am told depending on the amount of translation required.
Since June people over 65 do not need to have health insurance to apply for Residency( illogical but thats the ruling sent down from Ankara)
So for a couple over 65 from UK cost of a one year Residency is approx 230TL plus some photos, a pink folder and a day out of your life being processed, and a big bill if later taken ill and do not have health cover anyway.
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sailaboutvic
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Good morning Mac
Again thanks for that info .
Finike is where one of our friends our now , we understand their are now just going to have to go home for most of the winter as they 90 days is nearly up and then by the time they return they will be able to get another 90 stay . The cost of staying so just going to be too much for them .
One of the problem that concern us is the insurance Pants do one for yachtie that will cove us in Turkey but it isn't cheap so once you add the price of that for two of us on top of very thing else Turkey becomes a very expenses place for us any way to winter out as we do live full time on the boat . All the other bits we not really worried about , every country have it hurdles we all have to jump thought these days .
Reading through the webs site they all seen to say some thing different , I was hoping to get a straight answer the full cost from some one who has just done it this year , not only for us but for others who also looking at going to stay in Turkey , so to be kept being told to read back was a little frustration , especially when reading back don't give me the answer I am looking for , ( Akyake sorry for being a bit off with your reply ) we not planning to winter there this year any way and hopefully we will come across people who had next spring . But there no doubt for newcomers going to Turkey for the first time it not straight forwards what the full cost is evolved .
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akyaka
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Sailaboutvic.We renewed our Residency in June and did it ourselves not using an agent and the info in post#29 is based on that.Apologies for the gruff response in #25 but you appeared to keep changing the question.
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sailaboutvic
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Apologies for getting a bit off with you .
The question really was I wanted to try and find out what the full cost of staying in Turkey was for someone who have done it this year , as the law seen to keep changing .
Ok going back to posting #29.
80 us$ x 2 = 100 pounds for the one year visa
20 £ x to for the 90 days stay which I take you have to pay before you can get the one year visa .
Blue card £10
Insurances for us it seen ( under 65 ) it going to be £ 700 each x2 1400
That a totally of 1530 then they may or may not be a charge for agent fee and translating .
I appreciate you did it without an agent , but newcomers have to find there self around all this stuff and the chances are like our friends that they will have to use one .
So really to answer my own question we would need to be looking at less a min 1530 pounds to stay all winter in Turkey .
That quite a bit of dosh .
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crisjones
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We spoke to Ziya, the Marina Manager, at Finike about 3 weeks ago and he is very concerned about the requirements and processing for Residency Permits.
Earlier in the summer (after April) Ziya had stated that liveaboards would not need to show funds in a bank account, a winter contract was OK and health insurance would not be required for most nationalities due to reciprocal agreements.
Unfortunately that all now seems to have changed for the worst as Vic's friends seem to have discovered with health Insurance adding a big chunk of money on top of the normal fees.
Ziya was going to attend a meeting in Ankara about the problems faced by liveaboards (and hence marina incomes) to try and gain some concessions and/or clarity on the requirements. So far I have not heard about the outcome of the meeting.
I agree with Vic that unless you are over 65 then Turkey is going to be very expensive for liveaboard cruisers to spend a winter.
Earlier in the summer (after April) Ziya had stated that liveaboards would not need to show funds in a bank account, a winter contract was OK and health insurance would not be required for most nationalities due to reciprocal agreements.
Unfortunately that all now seems to have changed for the worst as Vic's friends seem to have discovered with health Insurance adding a big chunk of money on top of the normal fees.
Ziya was going to attend a meeting in Ankara about the problems faced by liveaboards (and hence marina incomes) to try and gain some concessions and/or clarity on the requirements. So far I have not heard about the outcome of the meeting.
I agree with Vic that unless you are over 65 then Turkey is going to be very expensive for liveaboard cruisers to spend a winter.
akyaka
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Thats for 12 months . If you want to just overwinter then it is considerably cheaper as they accept a travel insurance. Admittedley you have to have a notarised translation but, and again illogically, they will accept one which does not cover the full period, merely pointing out when you receive your RP that you need to top up your insurance.
On a small point an E visa is 20US$ if bought on line from the official site.
sailaboutvic
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Hi
Please keep us all updated , I can now confirm that 12 boats have now decided to not winter out in Turkey , two more we met the other day heading for Sicily , because of the problem you have outlaid . Two boats we know , rather lost there deposit then having to pay out the extra out lay , I personally feel it very importation that the right info on cost is known before any deposit if paid for marina berth .
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Pinetops
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The only aspect of cost/inconvenience which has changed relates to Residence Permits. Everything else has been the same for some years. Akyaka implies obtaining one is as easy as previously but this is definitely not the case. Previously RPs were available on production of a Transit Log for up to 5 years. Now, although the direct cost is the same, the are limited to 1 year, require more demanding documentation and are vulnerable to cancellation if cumulative absences total 120 days, in which case the whole process of entering on an eVisa and applying for a new RP has to be repeated. Different locations are currently applying different interpretations of requirements. Unless rationalised the situation will definitely discourage using Turkey a a base and the Authorities appear to be competing with the potential Greek tax for unpopularity!
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sailaboutvic
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To be honesty I know some of these people from way back , and there must be some kind of really problem for them to be losing deposit and going else where , it not just a matter of having to run around doing some paper work , it the reason I started this Thread .
now and then some of us get lucky and find a way around all the long draw out stuff or just happen to come across and officially who easy going , but that's doesn't help everyone else who don't come across the same people , so good up to date information is critical for us Liveaboard who's going some where new .
It a bit like the Greek new tax , we are still coming across people who think the tax is being applied , the really fact is , no where in Greece is the tax being issued to any one , one PP guy who I know from way back told me that he and his crew in the office are getting a bit fed up with people insisting in paying the Tax , and guess what ? Most are British .
The tax may come in one day but the general feeling is , it not going to .
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now and then some of us get lucky and find a way around all the long draw out stuff or just happen to come across and officially who easy going , but that's doesn't help everyone else who don't come across the same people , so good up to date information is critical for us Liveaboard who's going some where new .
It a bit like the Greek new tax , we are still coming across people who think the tax is being applied , the really fact is , no where in Greece is the tax being issued to any one , one PP guy who I know from way back told me that he and his crew in the office are getting a bit fed up with people insisting in paying the Tax , and guess what ? Most are British .
The tax may come in one day but the general feeling is , it not going to .
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akyaka
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Please tell me what more demanding documentation is now required than when the rules were previously changed some 4 years ago when the cost reduced substantially.
There are differing interpretations but they tend to be in the detail and these will hopefully cease once the processing is taken up by the new ministry and their local offices are established and it reverts from the current temporary stopgap the police.
The 120 day absence rule is a worry but it has yet to be tested, will not be until at least next April and should be no problem for liveaboards.
My experience of renewing ,contrary to your assertion, is that the process is straightforward and that in an office where the officer dealing with RPs has a reputation for being difficult. Have you renewed this year ?
There are differing interpretations but they tend to be in the detail and these will hopefully cease once the processing is taken up by the new ministry and their local offices are established and it reverts from the current temporary stopgap the police.
The 120 day absence rule is a worry but it has yet to be tested, will not be until at least next April and should be no problem for liveaboards.
Pinetops
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Akyaka, I share your enjoyment for Turkey as a cruising ground but do not understand your support for a new process which has not been thought through. Throughout the marine industry representations are being made to the Authorities to recognise the negative impact.
The previous process for sailors to obtain RPs of up to 5 years was clearly set down and the documentation easily complied with. Obviously it was too generous but Law 6458 does not specifically refer to sailors so nowhere is their documentation clearly set down. Only the first category relating to RPs for up to 12 months applies and this includes the 120 day cancellation clause.
The previous process did not require the applicant to demonstrate funds (some offices are requiring proof of a Turkish bank account); nor health insurance if under 65; nor a marina contract, nor translations. The primary requirement was for a Transit Log and all crew members on it could apply. After the first year the old RPs cost US$60 pa for each additional year applied for, not US$80 plus 50YTL now. Law 6458 states application must be from outside Turkey (unless exceptions made) whilst renewal can be made locally - at the moment the UK Consulate is not processing applications but they are being accepted locally although that involves also obtaining an eVisa.
I have not applied for an RP personally but have several contacts (including marina managers) who confirm the foregoing. I am also aware of one couple required to produce their marriage certificate.
Hopefully rationalisation will remove the 120 day clause provided the RP is being used for extended seasonal sailing, documentation will be standardised in a realistic format, and annual renewal locally will be straight forward within the currency of the current RP.
The previous process for sailors to obtain RPs of up to 5 years was clearly set down and the documentation easily complied with. Obviously it was too generous but Law 6458 does not specifically refer to sailors so nowhere is their documentation clearly set down. Only the first category relating to RPs for up to 12 months applies and this includes the 120 day cancellation clause.
The previous process did not require the applicant to demonstrate funds (some offices are requiring proof of a Turkish bank account); nor health insurance if under 65; nor a marina contract, nor translations. The primary requirement was for a Transit Log and all crew members on it could apply. After the first year the old RPs cost US$60 pa for each additional year applied for, not US$80 plus 50YTL now. Law 6458 states application must be from outside Turkey (unless exceptions made) whilst renewal can be made locally - at the moment the UK Consulate is not processing applications but they are being accepted locally although that involves also obtaining an eVisa.
I have not applied for an RP personally but have several contacts (including marina managers) who confirm the foregoing. I am also aware of one couple required to produce their marriage certificate.
Hopefully rationalisation will remove the 120 day clause provided the RP is being used for extended seasonal sailing, documentation will be standardised in a realistic format, and annual renewal locally will be straight forward within the currency of the current RP.
akyaka
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Its the requirements rather than the process that is causing problems. I seem to remember a similat kerfuffle when the law was changed some years ago and as aconsequence the requirements you quote came into being.
Married couples can get 2 year Residencies if they show their wedding certificate, perhaps that was the reason.
I suspect that many of the current problems arise because the process is being administered by an organisation ( the police) who were not anticipating to be doing so, had no training and dont really want to do it after they had it dumped back in their laps when the offices of the new Ministry did not open last April and knowing that it will be taken from them from them when they do( progressively from the end of this year is currently being said). I am aware that there appears to be intense lobbying going on about the interpretations of Law 6458 but this is mainly from people who have properties in Turkey . I see little from yachtsmen to the UK Consulate in Ankara etc about the unique difficulties and problems . I am aware through this Forum of the amount of pressure that international sailing organisations ( CA etc) appear to have put on the Greek goverment re their proposed charges yet see nothing similar from them in support of yachtsmen in Turkey.Pressure clearly can work and has manifested I believe in the travel insurance interpretation for RPs less than 12 months and the scrapping of health insurance requirements for over 65s. I believe that the initial application in your country of residence and 120 day rule are sleepers, the latter cannot take effect until next April when the first renewals occur. People with properties are waking up to these potential problem as they affect them but there needs to be a groundswell of pressure on our representatives at the various Consulates in Ankara as well as the Ministry itself from the yachting fraternity .
Married couples can get 2 year Residencies if they show their wedding certificate, perhaps that was the reason.
I suspect that many of the current problems arise because the process is being administered by an organisation ( the police) who were not anticipating to be doing so, had no training and dont really want to do it after they had it dumped back in their laps when the offices of the new Ministry did not open last April and knowing that it will be taken from them from them when they do( progressively from the end of this year is currently being said). I am aware that there appears to be intense lobbying going on about the interpretations of Law 6458 but this is mainly from people who have properties in Turkey . I see little from yachtsmen to the UK Consulate in Ankara etc about the unique difficulties and problems . I am aware through this Forum of the amount of pressure that international sailing organisations ( CA etc) appear to have put on the Greek goverment re their proposed charges yet see nothing similar from them in support of yachtsmen in Turkey.Pressure clearly can work and has manifested I believe in the travel insurance interpretation for RPs less than 12 months and the scrapping of health insurance requirements for over 65s. I believe that the initial application in your country of residence and 120 day rule are sleepers, the latter cannot take effect until next April when the first renewals occur. People with properties are waking up to these potential problem as they affect them but there needs to be a groundswell of pressure on our representatives at the various Consulates in Ankara as well as the Ministry itself from the yachting fraternity .
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