New (to us) boat! SQ58

[MapisM]

I don't think that you can blame the captain for this. This storm has hit the whole area. The super yacht my son was working on sunk in the harbour in Rapallo last night. Sometimes things just happen.

True, sh!t happens, but the two situations are VERY different.
Surely in Rapallo they were well aware of the forecast, and they prepared as well as they could, strengthening lines or whatever.
But it would be ridiculous to blame anyone who didn't predict the destruction of the harbor wall, with the results below.
The cargo captain did have a choice, and deliberately decided to challenge mother nature... :ambivalence:

 

[petem]

DW, it's easy for me to say, but I wouldn't waste too much energy on getting angry about this. We don't know the exact circumstances that led to loss and I imagine the shipping company will have consequences from this event, for example a loss of reputation, damage to the ship, lost fees (I assume they won't get paid for this) and potentially repercussions from the Italian authorities.

Do people think that the boat will be salvaged? If so, that's more trouble for the shipping company and their insurers. I assume that it would have been lost in sufficient depth not to cause an issue to other traffic but could cause issues for fishermen? And there always a pollution concern. Incidentally, how much fuel was on board?

Looking forward, you're timing for finding a replacement is good. I always think that people sell at the end of the season if they're giving up boating or trading up. I'd be getting in touch with the Fairline dealers in Mallorca and the SofF and also the Barke brothers to see if they know of any 58's coming on the market. There are a couple of Fairline groups on Facebook, I'd be happy to put some feelers out there for you.

 

[jfm]

Reporting live from the scene, I’ve just flown over dea volente. She was 1/2 mile ex Nice harbour heading west for cap d’antibes. I was landing NCE westerly runway. Sea has calmed down loads. She had about 4 motorboats on deck and sadly a gap where yours should have been.

In the first pic that is villefranche and cap Ferrat in background. The sea looks odd because it is full of suspended minerals and stuff that has washed down the rivers during the last 24 hours of heavy rain- that’s normal here after rain and it clears in a couple of days.

 

[petem]

"Scheduled" JFM?!

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Blimey this forum has spies everywhere

 

[MapisM]

Do people think that the boat will be salvaged?

Based on the AIS track and the reported time of the accident, the boat went down with about 500m of water under her bottom, which makes a salvage unlikely to say the least.

 

[Portofino]

Wonder if the cheeky buggers will pick another load to fill the now vacant place , somewhere along the multi stop journey .
Not the Captains personal work this time ,more the booking head office , efficiently meeting targets etc etc .

Moral dilemma!

 

[jfm]

"Scheduled" JFM?!

Yep Pete- was travelling on my own and being thrifty :encouragement:

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Yep Pete- was travelling on my own and being thrifty :encouragement:

...in 1A

 

[jfm]

1C, but I had row 1 to myself so sat in 1A to take pics .

 

[z1ppy]

Wonder if the cheeky buggers will pick another load to fill the now vacant place , somewhere along the multi stop journey .
Not the Captains personal work this time ,more the booking head office , efficiently meeting targets etc etc .

Moral dilemma!

Tough call that. there are a few companies in the yacht shipping game and some will without hesitation try and fix additional cargo to fill the space... Chartering desks are a strange bunch with little respect for emotion!

It is of course the captains responsibility to look after his crew, vessel and cargo. I cant comment on the specifics of the conditions at the time but on many occasions i have had masters slow (considerably) to protect crew, vessel and cargo, it is not an unusual action and i have had vessels much larger than this one running at sub 4 kts and even deviate several hundred miles to mitigate weather risks.

In my experience, the comments about ship owners placing pressure of time and schedule on masters is broadly inaccurate. yes, for liner shipping (Hapag / Maersk / MSC etc etc) there is a requirement to maintain schedule but usually this is done by amending port rotation or omitting port calls and less so by trying to dictate the operating speed of the vessel.

These operations are "semi liner" in reality with a indicated rotation and base ports and dates but open to flexibility to load other cargoes or change dates. Those of you / us that have shipped boats will attest to the fact the load date or discharge date always moves about for this very reason. You can be pretty sure that the decision to proceed in the conditions was taken by the master and like many accidents, there is usually a combination of factors that lead to the end result. The delays and costs are generally contracted between the carrier and the charterer (and there are lots of parties involved in this respect, rarely is the true carrier contracting directly with the boat owner) so it is no incentive for the the master to risk the owners vessel on the grounds that the cost as a result of delay are already clearly detailed in terms of attribution and amount and there is little room in this respect.

This is no consolation to DW and i fully appreciate his anger at the situation. I hope he is covered for his financial loss and in time, this horrible situation doesnt put him off boating! (perhaps just shipping boats)

 

[dustywings]

Reporting live from the scene, I’ve just flown over dea volente. She was 1/2 mile ex Nice harbour heading west for cap d’antibes. I was landing NCE westerly runway. Sea has calmed down loads. She had about 4 motorboats on deck and sadly a gap where yours should have been.

In the first pic that is villefranche and cap Ferrat in background. The sea looks odd because it is full of suspended minerals and stuff that has washed down the rivers during the last 24 hours of heavy rain- that’s normal here after rain and it clears in a couple of days.

Wow, we have eyes everywhere, sad sight though!
Thanks

 

[dustywings]

Hi All

No real update today, the insurance claim is in but we are just waiting on the report from the ship which is yet to arrive. It will certainly be interesting and I will let you know what it says.
It certainly wont put me off boating. Just not sure how I will find as good a 58 for that money!
Perhaps more news tomorrow.

 

[Seastoke]

Hi All

No real update today, the insurance claim is in but we are just waiting on the report from the ship which is yet to arrive. It will certainly be interesting and I will let you know what it says.
It certainly wont put me off boating. Just not sure how I will find as good a 58 for that money!
Perhaps more news tomorrow.

it might be prudent not to say to much until you have a satifactory out come

 

[dustywings]

it might be prudent not to say to much until you have a satifactory out come

Agreed, would not publish anything detailed just a flavour!

 

[J12345T]

Hi Dustywings,

I would like to echo the condolences of the rest of the forum-ites. This is a subject close to my heart as my boat (c2008 Princess 50/3) was loaded in Genoa 4 weeks ago and is currently in Phuket en-route to New Zealand aboard the MV Dolfijngracht. Still a lot of open ocean to go so I have my fingers and toes perpetually crossed...

All the best and I hope that you get a speedy resolution with the insurers.

James.

 

[Switch]

Hi Dustywings,

So sorry to hear about your boat - I hope everything is resolved quickly and to your complete satisfaction (and more).

 

[andy59]

What a nightmare DW , hope that you get all sorted with a replacement soon .

 

[MapisM]

It certainly wont put me off boating. Just not sure how I will find as good a 58 for that money!

DW, just a thought: how strict are you on your model/brand choice?
I'm asking because if you are willing to consider also other boats of similar type/size (still from a top builder anyway), I could suggest you something well worth checking out - just pm me if interested.

 

[dustywings]

Thanks, pm sent