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Just had all my standing rigging replaced on my 28 ft boat. Cost 1500 supply only. My previous rigging was over 10 years old but no sign of any rust.
Anyway new rigging is getting light rust on threads. Thought it a little odd. Then a person who used same supplier 1 year ago his rigging is very rusty arround swagless fittings in under a year. Im a bit worried. Should i be. Shod it really show corrosion so quick. I thought it would be good for well no ryst signs for 8 years if not more.

Steveeasy
 
That sounds very expensive
I've just bought new rigging for my 39ft boat for less than that.

316 can show some staining but it ought to polish out, it's not really a concern.
 
Kelpie said:
I've just bought new rigging for my 39ft boat for less than that.
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That would concern me as to the quality of the wire and fittings used, unless yours is a very light boat with small wire..
As an example you can buy a snap shackle, 316 stainless from china around £5. You can buy the same shackle but a high end brand and pay £90...
Im sure the same applies to what brand and quality a rigger uses..
 
Well it was 6 and 7mm wire. I wanted good quality and properly done. Service was sxxt but i paid. Now seeing the other persons worries me looks 20 years old.

Steveeasy
 
Trouble with stainless is you never really know what your getting.. Ive seen a fair amount of stainless online in chandleries and some of it is as low as 304.. which is what stainless car exhausts are often made from and by using a magnet i discovered one of the lower 3 series is non magnetic so next to impossible for the average person to know if its 316 or 304.
 
steveeasy said:
Well it was 6 and 7mm wire. I wanted good quality and properly done. Service was sxxt but i paid. Now seeing the other persons worries me looks 20 years old.

Steveeasy
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I just replaced mine for a 35footer with 8mm wire total cost just about 1000 pounds. They are not up yet but have been on the deck in the rain and sun and still look perfect...

my supplier was s3i

I saw a thread recently about a handheld device that a scrapyard had which can identify the grade of stainless. Might be worth taking a sample piece to a local scrappy or testing company.
 
Rappey said:
That would concern me as to the quality of the wire and fittings used, unless yours is a very light boat with small wire..
As an example you can buy a snap shackle, 316 stainless from china around £5. You can buy the same shackle but a high end brand and pay £90...
Im sure the same applies to what brand and quality a rigger uses..
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Supplied by ZSpars. 8mm wire, Sta Lok studs to be fitted to one end, swaged eyes the other.
 
The other persons rigging looks dreadful. Ive only traces of rust on threads but its only been up a month. Ill keep an eye on it. If it deteriates ill ask for it to be replaced .

Steveeasy
 
As said rust stains on stainless steel are not so unusual. You were right to replace the old rigging however good it looks although it might have been ok to 15 years. Stainless steel rigging wire fails apparently on time. I don't believe it is by fatigue and may be some sort of corrosion as seen that failure is often at the bottom of the wire where it enters swage. I don't think you have much to be concerned about although you might quiz the supplier on what wire was used and where from.
Regarding cost. You may have been charged for new turn screws where others are quoting for just the wire.
If rust is on threads well I always keep my turnscrews well lubricated with grease to avert seizure. (galling) Oxalic acid may clean it up then lubricate. ol'will
 
Most boats are only pressed in heavy weather - rest of their lives are cruising ... the rigging does not get subjected to levels such a with serious racers.
Most boats are also over-engineered in rigging specs ...

As example - my boat is from early 70's ... she still has the same 1x19 rigging and bottle screws I bought her with over 20 years ago. As I understood - seller had also sailed her for significant years with same.

Sorry but this fixation on 10yrs is something that has grown up from some obscure reason .. long lost in the mists of time.
 
Refueler said:
Most boats are only pressed in heavy weather - rest of their lives are cruising ... the rigging does not get subjected to levels such a with serious racers.
Most boats are also over-engineered in rigging specs ...

As example - my boat is from early 70's ... she still has the same 1x19 rigging and bottle screws I bought her with over 20 years ago. As I understood - seller had also sailed her for significant years with same.

Sorry but this fixation on 10yrs is something that has grown up from some obscure reason .. long lost in the mists of time.
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Yep thats probally all true but my point is
About rust. Id find it hard to convince a buyer the rigging was new if its covered in rust. Actually its not how id like my boat to look either. I wamted to get an opinion on it to perhaps support my concerns going forward.
I am going to take a sample of wire somewhere to identify the grade.see where it takes me.
Steveeasy
 
steveeasy said:
Yep thats probally all true but my point is
About rust. Id find it hard to convince a buyer the rigging was new if its covered in rust. Actually its not how id like my boat to look either. I wamted to get an opinion on it to perhaps support my concerns going forward.
I am going to take a sample of wire somewhere to identify the grade.see where it takes me.
Steveeasy
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I agree that rust should not be showing ... you can get discoloration of strand ends in talurits ... and the talurit ferrule turning green ... but the wire itself ? That should be clean.

Why did you change the rigging anyway ? Just because its 10yrs ? You a racer or cruising boater ?
 
Refueler said:
I agree that rust should not be showing ... you can get discoloration of strand ends in talurits ... and the talurit ferrule turning green ... but the wire itself ? That should be clean.

Why did you change the rigging anyway ? Just because its 10yrs ? You a racer or cruising boater ?
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Why. Well the rigging was over 10 yeard old. The boat has a very unique rigg that i want to protect at all costs. The yard was going on about rig inspections had to go thru yard oh and i was going to azores. So it made sense to do it. All the fittings from mast removed and inner forestay fitted.new mast head lights.all done to prevent failure. Never got it done in time a d missed start. By time i left northerly dissapeard and low pressure ovrr azores put paid to trip.
Still just dont want rigging that is unfit.ill watch it.if it deteriates it will be replaced.
Steveeasy
 
Have you raised your concerns with the supplier? If you haven't I would suggest you do.

If you are not happy with the response (ie you get the dead parrot treatment), then it's time to get things in writing.
 
Poignard said:
Have you raised your concerns with the supplier? If you haven't I would suggest you do.

If you are not happy with the response (ie you get the dead parrot treatment), then it's time to get things in writing.
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I agree. My rigging is a good few years old and there is no rust on it at all. I would complain to whoever you paid for the work immediately
 
steveeasy said:
Why. Well the rigging was over 10 yeard old. The boat has a very unique rigg that i want to protect at all costs. The yard was going on about rig inspections had to go thru yard oh and i was going to azores. So it made sense to do it. All the fittings from mast removed and inner forestay fitted.new mast head lights.all done to prevent failure. Never got it done in time a d missed start. By time i left northerly dissapeard and low pressure ovrr azores put paid to trip.
Still just dont want rigging that is unfit.ill watch it.if it deteriates it will be replaced.
Steveeasy
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Of course ... safety first.
 
Dead parrot treatment. I got that when i bought it. Think you need to remember they are doing us a favour. Forget the fact they grt paid sometimes. Funny ive allways thanked my customers for work.
Steveeasy
 
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