New build Sanlorenzo SL96A 2024
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Croftie
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Dust on JFM's boat?
Whatever next........
Mr Googler
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Dust on JFM's boat?
I dunno……standards have been slipping! It was dew………apparently
Elessar
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Dump the wheel and the helm seat can be assignable . (Oops sorry J I did say “last try” before
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jfm
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Hmmm yes I doubt they work in 3 separate stages. As you say, one of the stages will be a single turbo pressurising both banks , and the other stage will be two turbos further compressing one bank each (or vice versa).Yeah, it feels like it because it is, I reckon!
Looking fwd to hearing your findings on how the triple turbos are working on MTU 2000 above 8 cylinders, because to my mind - surely much simpler and less educated compared to the Friedrichshafen boys - making them work in three sequential stages sounds like a solution to a non existing problem.
But I never investigated MTU 2000 series because... Ermm... I never considered boats big enough for them!
My guess is that one is meant for low(ish) rpm job, with the other two, split by cylinder bank, kicking in above that.
FWIW, their previous generation of engines (183 series, based on the same M-B block that MAN always used) had plain vanilla non-sequential turbos, albeit one for each bank.
PS: ref. the dashboards, WOW is the only thing that pops to mind.
Are you going to christen the boat as USS Enterprise?
jfm
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Yes definitely all docking will be done from aft cockpit. I don't think I ever docked/undocked previous boats from the flybridge helm. Not only is visibility better from the aft cockpit, but crew/line handler communication is better too (or not needed because I can see what line handlers are doing so I do not need anyone to tell me).
jfm
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It already is assignable - I don't need to dump the wheel. Can helm the boat from the flybridge co-pilot seat and steer from there using the armrest control that will be between the left/right helm seatsDump the wheel and the helm seat can be assignable . (Oops sorry J I did say “last try” before
jfm
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Yes I considered it carefully and I get your point. For this 5-screen angled array, the surface into which the screens would need to be fitted would be basically a cone, but a cone made from 5 facets because the Garmin screens are flat. That requires a mitre joint between each facet and its neighbour, which would be ugly and require a frame structure that creates bulkiness, and totally destroys the minimalism look of 5 Garmin screens just floating in air with no added frame.Have you considered making the the screen arrangement appear seamless? Rather than 5 separate screens……it looks like one continuous screen (but is 5 separate screens obviously) I think I’ve seen that on a few aquaholic videos and it looked trick! Pretty sure it was just 3 screens though….not a JFM mega setup
Alternatively you could avoid the mitre joins by taking a single piece of sheet material and CNC forming it "flat-then-curved-then-flat-then..." (x 5) but I couldn't find a CNC Perspex bender who would make that, and you'd still need a bulky frame around the whole thing so you would lose the minimalism.
I would suggest you haven't seen on any Aquaholic video that form of mounting in a faceted cone shape without a bulky frame/box, too much space separating the screens, and a total loss of minimalism. Feel free to post links though
So after much head scratching and because I want the Garmin screens not to be surrounded by a big box, I have gone for what you see in the above render. Because the screens form a faceted cone, the 4 little gaps between the screens are inevitably triangular or trapezoidal, which I don't love but think it will be ok, and I could easily get some triangle/trapezium "gap fillers" CNC cut from black Perspex, but I want to try it as rendered first, because I really want the Garmin screens "floating in air" with no frame/gap fillers/anything around them.
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Mr Googler
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Yes I considered it carefully and I get your point. For this 5-screen angled array, the surface into which the screens would need to be fitted would be basically a cone, but a cone made from 5 facets because the Garmin screens are flat. That requires a mitre joint between each facet and its neighbour, which would be ugly and require a frame structure that creates bulkiness, and totally destroys the minimalism look of 5 Garmin screens just floating in air with no added frame.
Alternatively you could avoid the mitre joins by taking a single piece of sheet material and CNC forming it "flat-then-curved-then-flat-then..." (x 5) but I couldn't find a CNC Perspex bender who would make that, and you'd still need a bulky frame around the whole thing so you would lose the minimalism.
I would suggest you haven't seen on any Aquaholic video that form of mounting in a faceted cone shape without a bulky frame/box, too much space separating the screens, and a total loss of minimalism. Feel free to post links though
So after much head scratching and because I want the Garmin screens not to be surrounded by a big box, I have gone for what you see in the above render. Because the screens form a faceted cone, the 4 little gaps between the screens are inevitably triangular or trapezoidal, which I don't love but think it will be ok, and I could easily get some triangle/trapezium "gap fillers" CNC cut from black Perspex, but I want to try it as rendered first, because I really want the Garmin screens "floating in air" with no frame/gap fillers/anything around them.
All makes good sense (as ever)
I like the idea of a 10mm trim around the perimeter / infills to make it look like one unit but it’s really a non issue and might not look right in reality. Once your screens are in place….I bit of black tape could create the look anyway. You can then get the forum opinion…..which I have no doubt you’d value greatly
Elessar
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How do you get to the inside of the windscreen for cleaning? It huge but hard to judge the space forward of the screens.Yes I considered it carefully and I get your point. For this 5-screen angled array, the surface into which the screens would need to be fitted would be basically a cone, but a cone made from 5 facets because the Garmin screens are flat. That requires a mitre joint between each facet and its neighbour, which would be ugly and require a frame structure that creates bulkiness, and totally destroys the minimalism look of 5 Garmin screens just floating in air with no added frame.
Alternatively you could avoid the mitre joins by taking a single piece of sheet material and CNC forming it "flat-then-curved-then-flat-then..." (x 5) but I couldn't find a CNC Perspex bender who would make that, and you'd still need a bulky frame around the whole thing so you would lose the minimalism.
I would suggest you haven't seen on any Aquaholic video that form of mounting in a faceted cone shape without a bulky frame/box, too much space separating the screens, and a total loss of minimalism. Feel free to post links though
So after much head scratching and because I want the Garmin screens not to be surrounded by a big box, I have gone for what you see in the above render. Because the screens form a faceted cone, the 4 little gaps between the screens are inevitably triangular or trapezoidal, which I don't love but think it will be ok, and I could easily get some triangle/trapezium "gap fillers" CNC cut from black Perspex, but I want to try it as rendered first, because I really want the Garmin screens "floating in air" with no frame/gap fillers/anything around them.
jfm
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All makes good sense (as ever)
I like the idea of a 10mm trim around the perimeter / infills to make it look like one unit but it’s really a non issue and might not look right in reality. Once your screens are in place….I bit of black tape could create the look anyway. You can then get the forum opinion…..which I have no doubt you’d value greatly
Yup that would look great
.However....
Those Garmin 22 inch monster screens are 528mm wide each, so that whole array in my render is c.2700mm wide. Try getting a 2700mm* x 400mm piece of 10mm black perspex (a) with 5 rectangular holes CNC cut, (b) inside edges of those holes CNC routed so the whole thing can sit flush with the Garmin screens, then (c) CNC heat formed to create 5 facets and 4 creases in a single strip, and (d) all on the basis that the solid sections of material are only about 10mm wide like it's a section from a spider's web.
You would need to call NASA
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jfm
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Tons of space there - you can crawl in and clean, or sleep, there. The first render above shows it - for scale, the 5 screen array is 2700mm
Mr Googler
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Yup that would look great
However....
Those Garmin 22 inch monster screens are 528mm wide each, so that whole array in my render is c.2700mm wide. Try getting a 2700mm* x 400mm piece of 10mm black perspex (a) with 5 rectangular holes CNC cut, (b) inside edges of those holes CNC routed so the whole thing can sit flush with the Garmin screens, then (c) CNC heat formed to create 5 facets and 4 creases in a single strip, and (d) all on the basis that the solid sections of material are only about 10mm wide like it's a section from a spider's web.
You would need to call NASA
I was looking at it a different way.
2 x (Top and bottom) full length sections following the contour of the screens
4 screen infill uprights……..2 upright end pieces
Bolt together with counter sunk or pan head Allen key type bolts from top and bottom so they are hidden
couple of attachment points on the current screen mounting system etc to secure it
NASA offered me a job last week but I didn’t think I’d be challenged enough…..or be allowed to wrap anything in vinyl so I passed.
jfm
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Urgh! all those joints would look so ugly!
Remember your top and bottom strips would not be straight strips. The surface you're following here is a faceted cone not a cylinder. The Garmin screens are flat, so again your top and bottom strips would need to have 4 heat formed creases and each strip piece of Perspex would have to be CNC cut so it is like a 2700m long ruler but not a straight ruler: it would be a single ruler consisting of 5 straight sections and 4 slight kinks or elbows.
All Perspex edges need to be CVC routed so as to sit flush with Garmin screens yet overlap behind, so you dont have 0.1mm air/light gaps.
Not worth it! Easiest solution is to get to love the minimalism of the 5 screens just appearing to float in air, borderless.
Remember your top and bottom strips would not be straight strips. The surface you're following here is a faceted cone not a cylinder. The Garmin screens are flat, so again your top and bottom strips would need to have 4 heat formed creases and each strip piece of Perspex would have to be CNC cut so it is like a 2700m long ruler but not a straight ruler: it would be a single ruler consisting of 5 straight sections and 4 slight kinks or elbows.
All Perspex edges need to be CVC routed so as to sit flush with Garmin screens yet overlap behind, so you dont have 0.1mm air/light gaps.
Not worth it! Easiest solution is to get to love the minimalism of the 5 screens just appearing to float in air, borderless
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Mr Googler
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Urgh! all those joints would look so ugly!
Remember your top and bottom strips would not be straight strips. The surface you're following here is a faceted cone not a cylinder. The Garmin screens are flat, so again your top and bottom strips would need to have 4 heat formed creases and each strip piece of Perspex would have to be CNC cut so it is like a 2700m long ruler but with 4 slight kinks or elbows in it.
All Perspex edges need to be CVC routed so as to sit flush with Garmin screens yet not have 0.1mm air/light gaps.
Not worth it! Easiest solution is to get to love the minimalism of the 5 screens just appearing to float in air, borderless
Gaps…..That’s what black sealant is for!
Fair enough….I admit defeat
It’s going to look awesome 
Bouba
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For fit and finish, I have always looked up to you......now I realize just how far down the ladder I amGaps…..That’s what black sealant is for!
Fair enough….I admit defeat
Mr Googler
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I can’t hold a candle to JFM or SLFor fit and finish, I have always looked up to you......now I realize just how far down the ladder I am
P4Paul
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It looks amazing JFM, and with your knowledge and attention to detail it's going to be absolutely awesome in the flesh.
Thank you for starting the thread, I am back here checking daily for an update...
Thank you for starting the thread, I am back here checking daily for an update...
MapisM
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Understood/agreed.
Just to be clear, I didn't ask because I prefer helming from the f/b while docking.
I'd love to stay in the cockpit, if it weren't that with mechanical throttles I don't have that luxury!
But even assuming to have remote stations and/or wireless controls, some folks prefer to sacrifice visibility/communication astern for keeping an eye also at whoever is handling the bow line(s), and in this respect the upper helm allows the best "allround" view.
BTW, with a 30m boat, in many marinas mooring stern to can actually imply operating the anchor(s), rather than "just" the bow line(s)...
MapisM
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Absolutely.
Just to throw in another 100% hair-splitting thought, I suppose you will have some way to interact with those displays other than touch screen, right?
Like mouse/trackball/whatever - otherwise your arms should stretch as much as those of Mr. Fantastic...
So, if that is the case, I can't think of any logical constraints for using specific marine screens (be them Garmin, Raymarine, or whatever).
I mean, aren't there Garmin blackboxes capable to drive generic screens, like for instance the ultrawide+curved one that you have on your desk?
By and large, I would think that three of those could grant as much real estate glass as five 22" Garmin displays, if not even more.
And aesthetically, the curved shape would be nothing short of spectacular.
Not that the faceted cone array won't look amazing either, of course!
This thread just started, and the amount of first world problems arising already beggars belief....!
