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Chris, you painted that prop yet that you keep praising? It was very shiny last time I saw it. How is that corner of Shepherds Wharf......
david_e
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Re: 31.7
It is a good boat, not, not a bad boat - even Twister Ken likes em
As an owner and market follower I don't see marinas full of them for sale. Have just been contacted by a new owner, via the benny toe owners site, who bought his over from France recently. The market in 31.7's is quite active at present, you could do alot worse, but probably not for your first boat.
It is a good boat, not, not a bad boat - even Twister Ken likes em
As an owner and market follower I don't see marinas full of them for sale. Have just been contacted by a new owner, via the benny toe owners site, who bought his over from France recently. The market in 31.7's is quite active at present, you could do alot worse, but probably not for your first boat.
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Re: Chartering
I think that's a very good point Peter. You can't expect to know a new boat like a new car. I had not considered this.
What I'm trying to do is avoid the hassle with selling a boat to upgrade to a slightly better one, plus the losses involved! JenBenBav build fashionable boats at a price that is attractive, but because the design changes frequently things go out of fashion and the boat starts to looks dated, and in a marina full of these boats its a buyer's market and your losses increase. I'm not nocking any of these boats. The first boat I really liked was a Ben First 31.7. But I felt that after 5 years I would have to sell it before it looked too old. Also I'm not saying that the Swedish boats are the best, I'm just looking for a boat that is going to be very safe with a good motion and from a manufacturer that has a good name so that when/if I wanted to trade up I would have no problem selling.
Any sugestions??
I think that's a very good point Peter. You can't expect to know a new boat like a new car. I had not considered this.
What I'm trying to do is avoid the hassle with selling a boat to upgrade to a slightly better one, plus the losses involved! JenBenBav build fashionable boats at a price that is attractive, but because the design changes frequently things go out of fashion and the boat starts to looks dated, and in a marina full of these boats its a buyer's market and your losses increase. I'm not nocking any of these boats. The first boat I really liked was a Ben First 31.7. But I felt that after 5 years I would have to sell it before it looked too old. Also I'm not saying that the Swedish boats are the best, I'm just looking for a boat that is going to be very safe with a good motion and from a manufacturer that has a good name so that when/if I wanted to trade up I would have no problem selling.
Any sugestions??
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Re: 31.7
I like 'em for buoy racers but I wouldn't want to cruise one any distance. Horses for courses.
I like 'em for buoy racers but I wouldn't want to cruise one any distance. Horses for courses.
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
More info required
You are asking for suggestions, but first we have to know a few things, like:
How much would you spend?
How many will usually be aboard?
How far do you want to go?
How long do you want to spend aboard at a time?
What sort of climate will your sailing be done in?
How devoted are you to 'home comforts' as opposed to seaworthiness?
How long do you plan to spend at sea, between replenishment stops?
You are asking for suggestions, but first we have to know a few things, like:
How much would you spend?
How many will usually be aboard?
How far do you want to go?
How long do you want to spend aboard at a time?
What sort of climate will your sailing be done in?
How devoted are you to 'home comforts' as opposed to seaworthiness?
How long do you plan to spend at sea, between replenishment stops?
david_e
Active member
Re: 31.7
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Poetic licence
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david_e
Active member
Re: used boats
The market is not as fashion sensitive as you think, and it is not necessarily as logical as one would expect. If you wish to avoid the hassle of selling and mitigate your losses then you will need to buy well. Approaching the season as we are, prices will start to firm up a little but if you get your skates on you could still pick up a bargain. You mentioned that you would consider a 31.7, last year in France you could have picked a 1999 one up, history and spec not known, for £41k, now they are going at £45k, would you consider a Sun Fast 32, very similar boat? If so PM me for details on how to get one, a known boat, cheap.
You could also buy a classic like a Twister 28, no problems selling, look at the feature in this months Sailing Today.
The market is not as fashion sensitive as you think, and it is not necessarily as logical as one would expect. If you wish to avoid the hassle of selling and mitigate your losses then you will need to buy well. Approaching the season as we are, prices will start to firm up a little but if you get your skates on you could still pick up a bargain. You mentioned that you would consider a 31.7, last year in France you could have picked a 1999 one up, history and spec not known, for £41k, now they are going at £45k, would you consider a Sun Fast 32, very similar boat? If so PM me for details on how to get one, a known boat, cheap.
You could also buy a classic like a Twister 28, no problems selling, look at the feature in this months Sailing Today.
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Re: More info required
Ken,
More info........
Q: How much would you spend?
A: Max €200 000, maybe a bit more, but would prefer to spend less.
Q: How many will usually be aboard?
A: One.......me!
Q: How far do you want to go?
A: Baltic/ round the UK and Med will do for starters. Should keep me busy for a few years.
Q: How long do you want to spend aboard at a time?
A: Two or three weeks at a time. Sailing all year round, cold calm winter's day in Brittany to summer in the Med. I work on a 28/28 rotation so in theory could sail for six months a year.
Q: How devoted are you to 'home comforts' as opposed to seaworthiness?
A: I do like my home comforts, but being on my own seaworthiness would be top of my list of priority's.
Q: How long do you plan to spend at sea, between replenishment stops?
A: Not long mainly because I'm on my own and like a good nights sleep. Sometimes it maybe unavoidable, but would plan to ancor up or pull into a harbour every night.
Ken,
More info........
Q: How much would you spend?
A: Max €200 000, maybe a bit more, but would prefer to spend less.
Q: How many will usually be aboard?
A: One.......me!
Q: How far do you want to go?
A: Baltic/ round the UK and Med will do for starters. Should keep me busy for a few years.
Q: How long do you want to spend aboard at a time?
A: Two or three weeks at a time. Sailing all year round, cold calm winter's day in Brittany to summer in the Med. I work on a 28/28 rotation so in theory could sail for six months a year.
Q: How devoted are you to 'home comforts' as opposed to seaworthiness?
A: I do like my home comforts, but being on my own seaworthiness would be top of my list of priority's.
Q: How long do you plan to spend at sea, between replenishment stops?
A: Not long mainly because I'm on my own and like a good nights sleep. Sometimes it maybe unavoidable, but would plan to ancor up or pull into a harbour every night.
Badger
Member
Shades of Steve 101 methinks.NM
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Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Vancouver 28
Would be a good starting point for a single hander wanting to spend extended periods aboard, especially if you can find a well sorted 2nd hand one (often with stuff like wind vanes, generators, mast steps, etc)
Small, easy to handle, good tankage, solid build, excellent seakeeping, very rugged cutter rig, hold their value, being shorter cost less to moor, less to maintain.
Check out Northshore's site <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.northshore.co.uk/>http://www.northshore.co.uk/</A> for new and used Vancouvers.
Would be a good starting point for a single hander wanting to spend extended periods aboard, especially if you can find a well sorted 2nd hand one (often with stuff like wind vanes, generators, mast steps, etc)
Small, easy to handle, good tankage, solid build, excellent seakeeping, very rugged cutter rig, hold their value, being shorter cost less to moor, less to maintain.
Check out Northshore's site <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.northshore.co.uk/>http://www.northshore.co.uk/</A> for new and used Vancouvers.
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Re: Decision\'s made.
Thanks for all the reply's.
Can get a bit lively here at time's though!!
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Thanks for all the reply's.
Can get a bit lively here at time's though!!
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Oldhand
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Re: Decision\'s made.
Why have you limited your "expensive" choice to a Rassy? A Malo36 is much easier for single handing, better built and notabley faster.
Why have you limited your "expensive" choice to a Rassy? A Malo36 is much easier for single handing, better built and notabley faster.
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Re: Malö
Malö's are pretty rare. A search on these pages pulled up only one Malo 36 for sale. Your's perhaps?? Not much choice, but there's quite a few Rassy's and Najad's kicking about.
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Malö's are pretty rare. A search on these pages pulled up only one Malo 36 for sale. Your's perhaps?? Not much choice, but there's quite a few Rassy's and Najad's kicking about.
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