Needed: old film with bad special effects

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I need, for work, an old film which makes unconvincing use of a model boat afloat. I wanted the rapids scene from The African Queen but even two minutes of that turns out to be extortionately expensive so I need to find something cheaper. Any bright ideas? The Maggie has a bad model, but only aground.
 

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Unfortunately - I should have said this - it has to be a model of a real prototype, or at least a recogniseable type. I'm writing stuff on the use of models in fluid dynamics.

I admit I did post that with tongue in cheek

Any thing here useful.

Fluid Dynamics that takes me back to late 1960's/early 1970's Reynolds number and the like.

model ship prototype testing - Google Search
 

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Any wartime or postwar British film wherein ships are sunk is bound to have such a scene. I could never work out how they got away with it.
 
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The Cruel Sea, has some dodgy boat scenes, as can be seen in ten trailer: -

 

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Froude number vs Reynolds number. Irreconcilable, so models will always look s**t.
If we're going to get technical, it's best to match the Froude number, because then the bow wave looks OK. However, if you do that the time ratio is wrong (it takes the model too little time to cover one length) so you have to film it fast and slow down. It still won't be great, but it's better than they used to manage. The other issue is getting frequencies of roll and pitch oscillation right. That's a further complication which I am skirting round because it's not fluids!

I discovered just last week that Carole Bouquet had a sinus infection when "For Your Eyes Only" was being filmed, so her underwater scenes were filmed in a studio with water effects and bubbles (Alka-Seltzer!) added later. In order to get an "underwater" look they filmed at 84fps with big fans running, so that when slowed down her hair looked as if it was streaming out underwater. That'll be matching Reynolds number, I expect, though I haven't done the sums.
 

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Amazing video ... must have a look at the whole movie ...

Not being a nitpicker - but interesting that they have a 'one piece' Titanic rise up ... considering that she broke up as she sank ...
The film went so far over budget that Lew Grade is supposed to have complained that "it would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic".
 

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Amazing video ... must have a look at the whole movie ...

Not being a nitpicker - but interesting that they have a 'one piece' Titanic rise up ... considering that she broke up as she sank ...

The film was made in 1980 and the wreckage wasn't located until 1985 and it wasn't until then that it was apparent she had broken in two.


"Titanic was long thought to have sunk in one piece and, over the years, many schemes were put forward for raising the wreck. None came to fruition.[252] The fundamental problem was the sheer difficulty of finding and reaching a wreck that lies over 12,000 feet (3,700 m) below the surface, in a location where the water pressure is over 6,500 pounds per square inch (450 bar).[253] A number of expeditions were mounted to find Titanic but it was not until 1 September 1985 that a Franco-American expedition led by Jean-Louis Michel and Robert Ballard succeeded. "
 
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