Needed: old film with bad special effects

[Refueler]

The film was made in 1980 and the wreckage wasn't located until 1985 and it wasn't until then that it was apparent she had broken in two.


"Titanic was long thought to have sunk in one piece and, over the years, many schemes were put forward for raising the wreck. None came to fruition.[252] The fundamental problem was the sheer difficulty of finding and reaching a wreck that lies over 12,000 feet (3,700 m) below the surface, in a location where the water pressure is over 6,500 pounds per square inch (450 bar).[253] A number of expeditions were mounted to find Titanic but it was not until 1 September 1985 that a Franco-American expedition led by Jean-Louis Michel and Robert Ballard succeeded. "

In the museum on Poole seafront .... as you go up the stairs and look at the wall ... you realise its a depiction of the sheer depth and scale of Titanics final resting place. It shows her breaking up as she goes down ... and the scale size against the walls height.

 

[neilf39]

Just saw a trailer for hellboats looks like some of the scenes in that are pretty bad model mock-ups.

 

[Lucky Duck]

In the museum on Poole seafront .... as you go up the stairs and look at the wall ... you realise its a depiction of the sheer depth and scale of Titanics final resting place. It shows her breaking up as she goes down ... and the scale size against the walls height.

Reading the plot of the book it was based on I don't think technical accuracy was at the top of the author's priorities

Raise the Titanic! - Wikipedia!

 

[mickywillis]

Anyone interested in the model they used see the website below.

Raise The Titanic and Its $5 Million Replica Liner | Den of Geek



The model can still be seen on Google Earth at the side of the old water tank.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Anyone interested in the model they used see the website below.

Thanks. Although not as good as the African Queen going down rapids (I really want forward movement), "Raise the Titanic" looks like a definite possibility, and I have started an enquiry into the rights for that. Further suggestions are still welcome.

 

[Sharky34]

I need, for work, an old film which makes unconvincing use of a model boat afloat. I wanted the rapids scene from The African Queen but even two minutes of that turns out to be extortionately expensive so I need to find something cheaper. Any bright ideas? The Maggie has a bad model, but only aground.

The US moon landings, plenty of strange shadows in that.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Amazing video ... must have a look at the whole movie ...

Not being a nitpicker - but interesting that they have a 'one piece' Titanic rise up ... considering that she broke up as she sank ...

That wasn't known until Bob Ballard found her - the assumption at the time of her sinking was that she went down in one piece; I think that's even one of the findings of the official enquiry

 

[rogerthebodger]

That wasn't known until Bob Ballard found her - the assumption at the time of her sinking was that she went down in one piece; I think that's even one of the findings of the official enquiry

My understanding is that she did not split apart on the surface but on the way down and reached the bottom in 2 pieces spilling out alot of the contents on the way down hence the large debris field around the stern etion

 

[Refueler]

I cannot remember where I read or heard it from ... but I always assumed the stern section starting to split BEFORE going under .. as many ships do when bow sinks first.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

My understanding is that she did not split apart on the surface but on the way down and reached the bottom in 2 pieces spilling out alot of the contents on the way down hence the large debris field around the stern etion

According to Ballard, she broke apart at the surface,when the bending stress from the stern lifting out of the water became too great. But it happened when most of the fore part of the ship was submerged, so it wasn't apparent to witnesses, who had other things on their minds anyway. But the witness accounts tally with that, one some of the officers thought she'd broken.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I cannot remember where I read or heard it from ... but I always assumed the stern section starting to split BEFORE going under .. as many ships do when bow sinks first.

Google found me this. Dunno it it's right, though.

 

[Martin&Rene]

Keep it amusing. Look at the videos of the model naval battle in Peasholm Park at Scarborough.

Unless you are doing something really official, you can use Videograbber to get bits of video from Youtube etc.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Google found me this. Dunno it it's right, though.

Yes, that's probably redrawn from Ballard's book.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Keep it amusing. Look at the videos of the model naval battle in Peasholm Park at Scarborough.

Unless you are doing something really official, you can use Videograbber to get bits of video from Youtube etc.

Unfortunately, it's really official. We can point at stuff on YouTube whether or not it's legit (how would we know?) but anything we want to rely on we have to host, and we can't do that unofficially.

 

[Refueler]

One of the aspects of Titanic is that she was a riveted ship - welding of ships was in its infancy. Even if any welding was done in those days and for many years after in fact ... the sheerstrake and other parts still had rivets to try and reduce chasing cracks should they start.

But it had a tendency that in severe stress such as longitudinal with such a large long narrowish hull - the plates could move sheering rivets or creating weak joints etc.

I'm no Naval Arch of course - just remembering stuff from GSK (General Ship Knowledge lectures at Marine College - which included Ship Construction and relief of stress etc).

 

[JumbleDuck]

One of the aspects of Titanic is that she was a riveted ship - welding of ships was in its infancy. Even if any welding was done in those days and for many years after in fact ... the sheerstrake and other parts still had rivets to try and reduce chasing cracks should they start.

But it had a tendency that in severe stress such as longitudinal with such a large long narrowish hull - the plates could move sheering rivets or creating weak joints etc.

I'm no Naval Arch of course - just remembering stuff from GSK (General Ship Knowledge lectures at Marine College - which included Ship Construction and relief of stress etc).

I'm not a naval architect either, but my understanding is that in riveted joints it's friction between the plates which holds everything together, and the rivers are there mainly to provide the compressive forces which give rise to the friction. One the plates start moving relative to each other there isn't nearly enough shear strength in the rivets and you are, sooner or later, doomed.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Yes, that's probably redrawn from Ballard's book.

Various other theory's

Break-up of the Titanic.

 

[dimdav]

Various other theory's

Break-up of the Titanic.

Yes the Jack Thayer one is even known to my 8 yr old due to the sketches S.P Skidmore did based on Thayers description of the sinking while both were on Carpathia.