Motorsailers - How well do they sail?

[trouville]

Re: Medwind

Toulon is special as its also the navel base and very military!!Thats why people dont like it,odd attitude,shops arnt great all a bit shabby, but now its quite safe (theift wise) once your there the capitanerie and local chandlery are really OK !I stay there sometimes for a week or so just for a change!

Amazing to be passed by submarines when crossing the bay,just accross and in the bay buy the muesium of "prisons" next to thatis eral flynns old boat! its huge. Its free to stay but a reall dump!! and only safe if you get on with the other liveaboards there--im not recomending it just that flyns boats there!(he was a holywood actor)

Sanery, again just accross the bay is full in gereral but you can tie up there along side the capitanerie (hes super friendly)and at luch time eat at the pizzaria in front of the port, sometimes the menues not great but still well cooked and very good value! often they have fresh "dorado" with salad to start dorado etc dessetrt wine coffee for 6 Euros!!! and the fish is grilled over the hot wood emmbers even in August!!

In general sanerys one of the last place in France you can still eat well and inexpensivly since the Euro but even there its changing!!

 

[tcm]

Re: swell in port vell

not sure if you are talking bout swell in the ports or outside

...inside, i don't think it is anything to do with the sea swell - it is caused by pilot boats returning to their dock a bit further down and they sometimes turn in at speed - sending a long lump of wash into the port.

 

[Grehan]

Re: swell in port vell

No, outside.
Inside one obviously can suffer from wash - some big ships and some fast boats (pilots, as you say) use the harbour, so that's a basic matter of keeping one's eyes open and keeping out the way as far as possible.

We found, on our short trip, that the swell (when there's enough of it) outside the wall hits the breakwater and bounces back, causing rather a confused sea. Rather more than we were expecting on a nice sunny afternoon . . but then I must admit we probably didn't take moving round from Olimpico to Vell quite seriously enough - hadn't got everything comprehensively stowed and lashed down like we would have done normally.

Isn't it interesting, how distracting the sound of banging doors, falling fruit bowls and crashing crockery is, when one is trying to do something else, like look after the boat!

One lives and learns.

 

[milltech]

Re: Medwind

Just out of interest do you motorsail Englander on one of your two engines? I was thinking maybe using one would counteract the desire of the ship to come up into the wind and so give the autopilot less to do.

 

[milltech]

I've always fancied one, are you saying they don't sail downhill? I can't imagine going to windward under sail unless to calm the roll, but downwind one might have hoped for a reasonable sailing performance.

Also, what was your cruising speed under power and also motorsailing, (if you don't mind me asking)? I assume you had a 52 hp 4LW.

 

[LadyInBed]

Motorsailers: Sail like motor boats, motor like sailing boats!
But for all that, roomy and functional for living on.
A step nearer a ‘full’ sailing boat is a 'pilothouse' sailing boat

 

[ccscott49]

Re: Medwind

I use one engine, it does assist the autopilot, using the same side engine as the wind is on. Sorry I didnt read this a little earlier. but broad reachingit is best with two engines cracked on.
I also have a crossover valve, to feed water from the engine which is running, to the inner cutlass bearing of the dead shaft, stops the shafts squeeking!! and keeps wear down.

 

[snowleopard]

a motorsailer doesn't have to be slow and heavy. 11 knots under power, 12 under sail. how's that?

 

[ccscott49]

Log reading high eh?

 

[snowleopard]

and the GPS as well?

point of logic - all Colvic Watsons are motor sailers but not all motor sailers are Colvic Watsons.

 

[ccscott49]

What boat, the cat?

 

[milltech]

Re: Medwind

I supposed Brunton autoprops and a shaft brake would provide one answer. Thanks for the info though, interesting.

 

[ccscott49]

Re: Medwind

Dont think they make brunton autoprops big enough for Englander! But shaft brakes, could be fitted, but not easily.

 

[tcm]

Re: against motorsailers in the med

don't disagree with the pro-cat stuff, nor boatmikes idea of having several boats all at once....but catiwse, a large lump of liveabording will be in winter, when being at anchor ain't an option. Question is, are there reasonable ports/marina to keep a multihull in the med which doesn't cost 2x arm+leg over winter?