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Isn't that the new MacGregor 140?
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Motor Sailer - Macgregor 26X
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mighetto
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Oh I do believe that larger motors will find their way into all future ocean sailboat
designs. You may not have this problem in the UK but in the USA we lose 100,000
sailors a year. These folks move to trawlers or worse yet give up boating entirely.
In the US, 3/4 of the boaters think sail boaters idiots. I am the voice of reason in
comparison to what a power boater thinks of a rag bagger. Especially a rag bagger
in an under powered displacement only fixed weighted fin craft.
I am reposting this from another YBW forum. I have submitted it to the moderator
and really do not know if it will ever get posted. So here it is.
Hi Jan. The Mac26x is a serious ocean sailboat. There are a couple of things to
realize. First, no one outside of a race, will find any boat of any racing size on the
ocean comfortable.
It took serious racers to make this point to me. In the modern age, boats are
transported, not because it is dangerous to make a crossing, but because the cost
of wear and tear on the yacht doesn't justify the "fun" of doing so.
After the first day, below decks on any cruising sailboat is likely going to smell like
puke. If it does not it may smell of diesel No one outside of the most fatigued is
going to want to "enjoy" the comfort there. And then they will be sleeping. If the
crossing is several weeks the enjoyment is the same one might get in jail.
So for the future, it is likely that boats that will be making ocean crossings will be
more race boat like in the interior than house like. To ignore this ignores the
availability of other modern tools besides boat transport like weather reporting.
Do visit http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm to see why these boats,
even out of production are worth chatting about. There is nothing in a monohull
under 40 foot and under 180,000 US that compares. The designer/ manufacturer
understates the boats capabilities. I know this is hard to believe but the test of
time and rejection of notions of stability by international ocean racing design rule
bodies to allow movable ballast as the Mac26x (and no other Macgregor model)
puts the boat in her prime.
We really should be chatting a production run out of Poland or South America. Or
at the US plant.
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designs. You may not have this problem in the UK but in the USA we lose 100,000
sailors a year. These folks move to trawlers or worse yet give up boating entirely.
In the US, 3/4 of the boaters think sail boaters idiots. I am the voice of reason in
comparison to what a power boater thinks of a rag bagger. Especially a rag bagger
in an under powered displacement only fixed weighted fin craft.
I am reposting this from another YBW forum. I have submitted it to the moderator
and really do not know if it will ever get posted. So here it is.
Hi Jan. The Mac26x is a serious ocean sailboat. There are a couple of things to
realize. First, no one outside of a race, will find any boat of any racing size on the
ocean comfortable.
It took serious racers to make this point to me. In the modern age, boats are
transported, not because it is dangerous to make a crossing, but because the cost
of wear and tear on the yacht doesn't justify the "fun" of doing so.
After the first day, below decks on any cruising sailboat is likely going to smell like
puke. If it does not it may smell of diesel No one outside of the most fatigued is
going to want to "enjoy" the comfort there. And then they will be sleeping. If the
crossing is several weeks the enjoyment is the same one might get in jail.
So for the future, it is likely that boats that will be making ocean crossings will be
more race boat like in the interior than house like. To ignore this ignores the
availability of other modern tools besides boat transport like weather reporting.
Do visit http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm to see why these boats,
even out of production are worth chatting about. There is nothing in a monohull
under 40 foot and under 180,000 US that compares. The designer/ manufacturer
understates the boats capabilities. I know this is hard to believe but the test of
time and rejection of notions of stability by international ocean racing design rule
bodies to allow movable ballast as the Mac26x (and no other Macgregor model)
puts the boat in her prime.
We really should be chatting a production run out of Poland or South America. Or
at the US plant.
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mighetto
New member
Re: Satisfaction
The myth that A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST has been blown
away with the introduction of the Mac26x in 1996. But it is a prevailing notion
among the uninitiated and is a popular notion in well respected British publications
like Practical Boat Owner.
This myth has been propagated by the scaling down of large displacement hull
vessels for recreational use. When a displacement hull is reduced to less than 40
feet at the waterline, the result while motoring is less than satisfactory, both in
speed and stability, unless other design changes are made to compensate.
Outside the restriction of displacement hull design, however, there is no physical
law preventing "hybrids" that sail and motor well. By my way of thinking, pure
power boats, like pure sail boats are "half breeds", capable of doing only half of
the work desirable for recreational boating.
The Mac26x hull form is the hull of work sailboats. The boats used for hundreds of
years all over the world really. The cods head mac tail form of Spray from the US.
It is a very satisfying ride.
I indend to discuss the "Power to the People" article and the following article in
PBO June 2003. It is first of all important to understand why:
"Few boats provoke as much controversy as the Mac26x."
David Harding first of all is incorrect about the Mac26x being designed to introduce
more people to boating. That is what is said about the Lancer's. Those were meant
to entice power boaters to sailing during a period of rising fuel prices. They were
the first power sailers.
This X boat's
interiors were set up to attract older purchasers who in almost every case had
owned a boat prior to the Mac26x. A simple pole would verify that. I have probably
chatted with 200. The boat attracts a lot of engineers and military folks who
recognize the sea kindly and sturdy design.
The boat is controversial because it is the only movable water ballasted sailing
production sailboat. Movable ballast of any kind has long been an issue for US
Sailing's director of research. I suspect much of the product disparagement can
be traced to Jim Teeters through US Sailing. Even so for every year of production,
the Mac26x outsold every other cruising sailboat in the world. Jim Teeters is
the man primarily responsible for the US Sailing Delegation's walk out on
international ocean design rule making. He likely doesn't have anything personal
against the Mac26x, just anything movable ballast. His objections likely explain
why Mac26x cruisers have been unable to race as designed until just this year
when PHRF-NW established a water ballast protocal allowing water ballast to be
moved off and onto the boat DURING A RACE. No other vessel benefits from this
development as much as the Mac26x, no other power sailer is to be operated
without water ballast. This changes everything and really is exciting to owners
of the vessel who have thought about ocean racing. There are at least 500 of
those. In effect the Mac26x is a more worthy minitransat racer than a
minitransat because the box rules restricting the amount and form of the water
ballast and the size of the hull were not involved.
I know, I sound like an idiot. But I have put these notions to the most experienced
racing sailors who will chat about it. None of thier comments disuades me from
this opinion, and experiance supports it. They do need to be sailed differently from
a contemporary designed keel boat.
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The myth that A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST has been blown
away with the introduction of the Mac26x in 1996. But it is a prevailing notion
among the uninitiated and is a popular notion in well respected British publications
like Practical Boat Owner.
This myth has been propagated by the scaling down of large displacement hull
vessels for recreational use. When a displacement hull is reduced to less than 40
feet at the waterline, the result while motoring is less than satisfactory, both in
speed and stability, unless other design changes are made to compensate.
Outside the restriction of displacement hull design, however, there is no physical
law preventing "hybrids" that sail and motor well. By my way of thinking, pure
power boats, like pure sail boats are "half breeds", capable of doing only half of
the work desirable for recreational boating.
The Mac26x hull form is the hull of work sailboats. The boats used for hundreds of
years all over the world really. The cods head mac tail form of Spray from the US.
It is a very satisfying ride.
I indend to discuss the "Power to the People" article and the following article in
PBO June 2003. It is first of all important to understand why:
"Few boats provoke as much controversy as the Mac26x."
David Harding first of all is incorrect about the Mac26x being designed to introduce
more people to boating. That is what is said about the Lancer's. Those were meant
to entice power boaters to sailing during a period of rising fuel prices. They were
the first power sailers.
This X boat's
interiors were set up to attract older purchasers who in almost every case had
owned a boat prior to the Mac26x. A simple pole would verify that. I have probably
chatted with 200. The boat attracts a lot of engineers and military folks who
recognize the sea kindly and sturdy design.
The boat is controversial because it is the only movable water ballasted sailing
production sailboat. Movable ballast of any kind has long been an issue for US
Sailing's director of research. I suspect much of the product disparagement can
be traced to Jim Teeters through US Sailing. Even so for every year of production,
the Mac26x outsold every other cruising sailboat in the world. Jim Teeters is
the man primarily responsible for the US Sailing Delegation's walk out on
international ocean design rule making. He likely doesn't have anything personal
against the Mac26x, just anything movable ballast. His objections likely explain
why Mac26x cruisers have been unable to race as designed until just this year
when PHRF-NW established a water ballast protocal allowing water ballast to be
moved off and onto the boat DURING A RACE. No other vessel benefits from this
development as much as the Mac26x, no other power sailer is to be operated
without water ballast. This changes everything and really is exciting to owners
of the vessel who have thought about ocean racing. There are at least 500 of
those. In effect the Mac26x is a more worthy minitransat racer than a
minitransat because the box rules restricting the amount and form of the water
ballast and the size of the hull were not involved.
I know, I sound like an idiot. But I have put these notions to the most experienced
racing sailors who will chat about it. None of thier comments disuades me from
this opinion, and experiance supports it. They do need to be sailed differently from
a contemporary designed keel boat.
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jimi
Well-known member
Do'nt talk such utter shite. These things have killed people.
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ShipsWoofy
New member
Oh god I just stopped reading it in the end. It started badly, wandered off to cuckoo land and well.....
I wonder what the word for TOSH is in the states.
How can you call a boat with the bog in the middle of the saloon area a nice place to be for weeks on end, even animals do not crap in their sleeping and eating areas.
Who is this philosopher?
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I wonder what the word for TOSH is in the states.
How can you call a boat with the bog in the middle of the saloon area a nice place to be for weeks on end, even animals do not crap in their sleeping and eating areas.
Who is this philosopher?
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mighetto
New member
Most ocean sailboat captains will spend 5,000 US on a primary safety feature. The
Mac26x 50hp motor is exactly that. David Harding states in his PBO article
"Boats like the Mac26x encourage people to behave in unseamanship like ways
by covering large distances and believing they can always use the engine to
get home fast if the weather threatens to close in. They will soon find that
motoring a light, flat-bottomed boat into the wind and waves can be slow, wet
and uncomfortable. Beyond a certain point, it becomes impossible. The design
is a bad compromise. And with that, the prosecution rests its case."
Here is the defense. In modern sailboat designs you want both strong and light.
The Mac26x in unballasted configuration qualifies as a ULDB. Ultra Light
Displacement Boats must often deploy a technique called dodging in rough sea
which basically means running the engine for a long period until seas calm.
There IS NOT ENOUGH FUEL on a mac26 to deploy the dodging technique. The
Mac26x fortunately will hove to or lie ahull beautifully and unlike a fixed keel boat
you can retract foils so the boat will bob like a duck in heavy seas rather than roll
uncontrollably. The manufacturer even encourages heavy weather racing.
David Harding is a very poor prosecutor because the Mac26x is advertised as
a radical design. If you got into a radical designed auto or plane you would read
the owners manual and instructions would you not? I do so with any charter
sailboat. In fact I recall signing statements attesting to this action.
Harding commits the ultimate in unseaworthy behavior by neglecting to read the
instructions. In the first place the limited fuel supply kills his notion of covering
large distances and in the second it is only the arse end of the boat that is flat. The
cods head is very sea kindly.
I look at it this way. For a 30 foot powerboat, small craft conditions means look for
shelter. For a Mac26x it means put in the ballast and put up a sail.
Many will find these conditions ideal for sailing. The will put up two sails and plane
under sail. This really is a no-compromize design. The first no-compromize design
of many more, I suspect.
The defense is not over. There is much more. But that is for another day.
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Mac26x 50hp motor is exactly that. David Harding states in his PBO article
"Boats like the Mac26x encourage people to behave in unseamanship like ways
by covering large distances and believing they can always use the engine to
get home fast if the weather threatens to close in. They will soon find that
motoring a light, flat-bottomed boat into the wind and waves can be slow, wet
and uncomfortable. Beyond a certain point, it becomes impossible. The design
is a bad compromise. And with that, the prosecution rests its case."
Here is the defense. In modern sailboat designs you want both strong and light.
The Mac26x in unballasted configuration qualifies as a ULDB. Ultra Light
Displacement Boats must often deploy a technique called dodging in rough sea
which basically means running the engine for a long period until seas calm.
There IS NOT ENOUGH FUEL on a mac26 to deploy the dodging technique. The
Mac26x fortunately will hove to or lie ahull beautifully and unlike a fixed keel boat
you can retract foils so the boat will bob like a duck in heavy seas rather than roll
uncontrollably. The manufacturer even encourages heavy weather racing.
David Harding is a very poor prosecutor because the Mac26x is advertised as
a radical design. If you got into a radical designed auto or plane you would read
the owners manual and instructions would you not? I do so with any charter
sailboat. In fact I recall signing statements attesting to this action.
Harding commits the ultimate in unseaworthy behavior by neglecting to read the
instructions. In the first place the limited fuel supply kills his notion of covering
large distances and in the second it is only the arse end of the boat that is flat. The
cods head is very sea kindly.
I look at it this way. For a 30 foot powerboat, small craft conditions means look for
shelter. For a Mac26x it means put in the ballast and put up a sail.
Many will find these conditions ideal for sailing. The will put up two sails and plane
under sail. This really is a no-compromize design. The first no-compromize design
of many more, I suspect.
The defense is not over. There is much more. But that is for another day.
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ShipsWoofy
New member
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The defense is not over. There is much more. But that is for another day
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Please don't say that, I think the majority are fed up with your ramblings now, you have said nothing inspirational. Why are you so vociferous on a subject you seem only to regurgitate the sales brochures on.
These boats have no track record, their only redeeming quality is it takes the heat off my vessel when the Mac is mentioned.
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The defense is not over. There is much more. But that is for another day
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Please don't say that, I think the majority are fed up with your ramblings now, you have said nothing inspirational. Why are you so vociferous on a subject you seem only to regurgitate the sales brochures on.
These boats have no track record, their only redeeming quality is it takes the heat off my vessel when the Mac is mentioned.
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jimi
Well-known member
don't talk utter crap and inundate us with verbal diarrhea .. even idiots know the limitations and use. If someone tries to use one of these things for an ocean crossing on the basis of your posts I hope they're from the US of A and sue you for every cent you've got if things go wrong.
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jimi
Well-known member
oops just lloked on line Mighetto is making another reply .. sweepstake on number of words? Time to get this post canned methinks!
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jimi
Well-known member
mighetto, what is the heaviest weather you have personally experienced in one of these things .. personal experience, not a friend of a friend stuff?
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mighetto
New member
Re: Twister
Might someone comment on http://www.bartcop.com/message-from-God.gif. You
can not imagine how bleak the US born are regarding our elections. The gif claims
that only counties that voted bush have been devistated by Ivan, Charley and
Frances. That it is a message from God. We get this propaganda daily now. The
only refuge is chatting about boats.
Mac26x cruisers were lashed down to tye downs on the hard like aircraft. There is
a nice story from an owner of his boats weathering Frances over on one of the MacGregor boards.
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Might someone comment on http://www.bartcop.com/message-from-God.gif. You
can not imagine how bleak the US born are regarding our elections. The gif claims
that only counties that voted bush have been devistated by Ivan, Charley and
Frances. That it is a message from God. We get this propaganda daily now. The
only refuge is chatting about boats.
Mac26x cruisers were lashed down to tye downs on the hard like aircraft. There is
a nice story from an owner of his boats weathering Frances over on one of the MacGregor boards.
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ShipsWoofy
New member
bonkers
Your ground breaking argument is taking an all time dip now.
The only thing you forgot was a stars and stripes image and a mention of 11/9.
Please stop dribbling.
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Your ground breaking argument is taking an all time dip now.
The only thing you forgot was a stars and stripes image and a mention of 11/9.
Please stop dribbling.
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tcm
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Re: silliness
erm, the idea of setting out on an ocean voyage on these in preference to boats designed for the purpose borders on the ludicrous. Well, actualy, it steps right over and clean into the ludicrous. The sales figures arise because the boat is versatile but most of all - cheap.
Most of all, blah drone drone drone blah bblah drone just thought i would pad out the argument but at least this is orginal tho, and drone blah blah blah, ever been on any other boat, no? thought not, well i'm defintely right and you're totally wrong and drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone which shows that there's no doubt that my boat's much better than yours even though it only cost me 25p.
erm, the idea of setting out on an ocean voyage on these in preference to boats designed for the purpose borders on the ludicrous. Well, actualy, it steps right over and clean into the ludicrous. The sales figures arise because the boat is versatile but most of all - cheap.
Most of all, blah drone drone drone blah bblah drone just thought i would pad out the argument but at least this is orginal tho, and drone blah blah blah, ever been on any other boat, no? thought not, well i'm defintely right and you're totally wrong and drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone which shows that there's no doubt that my boat's much better than yours even though it only cost me 25p.
mighetto
New member
The vessel has quite a track record now. This is owing
to 5,000 hulls over 8 years and world wide distribution.
This is why Practical Boat Owner is compelled to have
articles written up on them.
First, my worst weather encounter
was three days of gale force winds and I handled it by
waiting in an all weather harbor. But two mac26x vessels
that I met up with on the northen end of Vancover Island did
sail the gale force wind at night. They were into proving
something.
David Harding I believe says something similar in
his article - or it is in the next one in the June 2003 PBO edition.
But you have to realize that MacGregor Yachts suggests
heavy weather racing.
I will relay that a Mac26x on the west side of vancouver
island (called the wild side) did have his roller furler give
way at the top the season before last. For reasons I do not
understand the rig did not come down. He claims to have been
operating in 20 knot wind with both sails up, main reefed. The
boat carried extra solid ballast and compensating boyancy in the
form of pool toys. I can see how owners of heavy pocket
cruiser might have a time with that.
Anyway I do not intend to quote Roger MacGregor - just respond
to David Harding who quotes (ridicules really Roger MacGregor)
Hardings objective analysis spews out what
contemporary sailors want to hear. I am spewing out what you
need to hear because the Mac26x and modern movable ballasted
machines in general were validated big time owing to the
Volvo 70 design rules. These kinds of designs are here to stay.
Here is the reason. Harding points out that Light conditions are not
the MacGregor's favorite... That is true. There is an extra
layer of fiber glass about the entire hull and stress point layering
up to 17 layers thick. This means the X is 800 lbs heavier than her
Mac26c sisters. There is no way the boat will challenge in light air
owing to that. No way except after dropping 1,400 lbs of water ballast.
It just like the minitransats that are water ballasted. The solid weight boats
may be able to carry more sail and sail faster in high normal and above wind
but they will suffer in doldrums. So the Mac26x likely will make a decent island
series, inlet series or off shore cruising racer. She is not a race boat. Lets
get that up front. But a race trainer and fast cruiser yes.
I do want to impress but not bore by going over what you already know.
So this you likely do not. The Executive Director of a national development
program in the Republic of Kiribati got a fleet of Mac26x cruisers to the Marshall
Islands where they were used for transporting medical and dental teams and
supplies and were routinely sailed 500 miles from the Marshall Islands to the
Republic of Kiribati. The director holds a merchant marine license, has a
hundred-ton ticket, has sailed the world in many vessels including Columbia's
and Catamarans, owned a Mac26x and in 2002 indicated he would like to purchase
a used one - probably regretting the sale of his first. He is a real fan of the cruiser
and has sailed them in rough conditions and nothing broke. It is that kind of praise
that makes me question those who claim the Mac26x is protected water boat. They
just have not opened their eyes. His opinion on the craft is in a publication called
Small Craft Advisor.
Yes two panicked children died in a drunken boaters episode. There have been no
other deaths and the boat was never on trial. Folks at US Sailing tried to put the
boat on trial but a naval architect named Teeters testified that the boat could be
operated safely and the fellow testifying under the umbrella of US Sailing (teeters)
was impeached. There is nothing wrong with the design stability or otherwise. With
5000 hulls and 7 years you can almost expect a drunken boater related death sad
as that is. The drunk got 6 years.
Very few designs have gotten as much review and come out as clean as the X.
I can not think of any as a mater of fact.
Is the above at all interesting? Harding just is hung up on the sales literature.
I am telling you the boat is revolutionary and Roger MacGregor is not over
stating the capabilities. A 1998 vintage Mac26x will sell for 21,000 US. Apparently
they sell for 17,000 to 21,000 second hand in the UK so someone in England thinks
highly of them as well.
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to 5,000 hulls over 8 years and world wide distribution.
This is why Practical Boat Owner is compelled to have
articles written up on them.
First, my worst weather encounter
was three days of gale force winds and I handled it by
waiting in an all weather harbor. But two mac26x vessels
that I met up with on the northen end of Vancover Island did
sail the gale force wind at night. They were into proving
something.
David Harding I believe says something similar in
his article - or it is in the next one in the June 2003 PBO edition.
But you have to realize that MacGregor Yachts suggests
heavy weather racing.
I will relay that a Mac26x on the west side of vancouver
island (called the wild side) did have his roller furler give
way at the top the season before last. For reasons I do not
understand the rig did not come down. He claims to have been
operating in 20 knot wind with both sails up, main reefed. The
boat carried extra solid ballast and compensating boyancy in the
form of pool toys. I can see how owners of heavy pocket
cruiser might have a time with that.
Anyway I do not intend to quote Roger MacGregor - just respond
to David Harding who quotes (ridicules really Roger MacGregor)
Hardings objective analysis spews out what
contemporary sailors want to hear. I am spewing out what you
need to hear because the Mac26x and modern movable ballasted
machines in general were validated big time owing to the
Volvo 70 design rules. These kinds of designs are here to stay.
Here is the reason. Harding points out that Light conditions are not
the MacGregor's favorite... That is true. There is an extra
layer of fiber glass about the entire hull and stress point layering
up to 17 layers thick. This means the X is 800 lbs heavier than her
Mac26c sisters. There is no way the boat will challenge in light air
owing to that. No way except after dropping 1,400 lbs of water ballast.
It just like the minitransats that are water ballasted. The solid weight boats
may be able to carry more sail and sail faster in high normal and above wind
but they will suffer in doldrums. So the Mac26x likely will make a decent island
series, inlet series or off shore cruising racer. She is not a race boat. Lets
get that up front. But a race trainer and fast cruiser yes.
I do want to impress but not bore by going over what you already know.
So this you likely do not. The Executive Director of a national development
program in the Republic of Kiribati got a fleet of Mac26x cruisers to the Marshall
Islands where they were used for transporting medical and dental teams and
supplies and were routinely sailed 500 miles from the Marshall Islands to the
Republic of Kiribati. The director holds a merchant marine license, has a
hundred-ton ticket, has sailed the world in many vessels including Columbia's
and Catamarans, owned a Mac26x and in 2002 indicated he would like to purchase
a used one - probably regretting the sale of his first. He is a real fan of the cruiser
and has sailed them in rough conditions and nothing broke. It is that kind of praise
that makes me question those who claim the Mac26x is protected water boat. They
just have not opened their eyes. His opinion on the craft is in a publication called
Small Craft Advisor.
Yes two panicked children died in a drunken boaters episode. There have been no
other deaths and the boat was never on trial. Folks at US Sailing tried to put the
boat on trial but a naval architect named Teeters testified that the boat could be
operated safely and the fellow testifying under the umbrella of US Sailing (teeters)
was impeached. There is nothing wrong with the design stability or otherwise. With
5000 hulls and 7 years you can almost expect a drunken boater related death sad
as that is. The drunk got 6 years.
Very few designs have gotten as much review and come out as clean as the X.
I can not think of any as a mater of fact.
Is the above at all interesting? Harding just is hung up on the sales literature.
I am telling you the boat is revolutionary and Roger MacGregor is not over
stating the capabilities. A 1998 vintage Mac26x will sell for 21,000 US. Apparently
they sell for 17,000 to 21,000 second hand in the UK so someone in England thinks
highly of them as well.
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jimi
Well-known member
"First, my worst weather encounter
was three days of gale force winds and I handled it by
waiting in an all weather harbor."
Very sensible!
"The boat carried extra solid ballast and compensating boyancy in the
form of pool toys. I can see how owners of heavy pocket
cruiser might have a time with that."
Yes I can see how Fray Bentos and Inflatable women could help.
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was three days of gale force winds and I handled it by
waiting in an all weather harbor."
Very sensible!
"The boat carried extra solid ballast and compensating boyancy in the
form of pool toys. I can see how owners of heavy pocket
cruiser might have a time with that."
Yes I can see how Fray Bentos and Inflatable women could help.
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tome
New member
I've never seen such drivel posted. I'd guess the closest you've come to ocean sailing is talking about it in a bar. Only a certifiable lunatic would consider that the Mac26x is a serious ocean sailboat.
I can't be bothered to say anymore.
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I can't be bothered to say anymore.
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boatless
New member
I'm telling you - this bloke is barking mad. Don't reply, he just keeps going. Has had his IP address blocked on another forum yesterday.
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Ships_Cat
New member
Perhaps Mighetto should start talking to the animals - whoops /forums/images/icons/blush.gif, forget I posted this.
John
<hr width=100% size=1>I am the cat but I am only 6.
John
<hr width=100% size=1>I am the cat but I am only 6.
ShipsDog
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