More 'what boat to buy questions' Moody S31, First 31.7 etc.

[Quandary]

Yes, the Hanse 331 was derived from the Fingulf 33, sharing the same hull at least. Not a very common boat though and it seems there are none for sale in the UK at the moment.

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/core/li...earchtype=searchbar&Ntk=boatsUK&Ntt=hanse+331

What we up here call complete and utter ballix.

Any resemblance to a Strahlman Finngulf 33 is really very superficial, same number of windows perhaps, surely you can see that ? It looks more like they copied something from the 80s.
Finngulf were still in production long after those Hanses were made, and the design rights are still held by a yard in Finland which aspire to restart production when (if) they can drum up enough orders.
It is a shame you publish those fantasies, a beginner who had no eye for hull shape could believe you.

 

[Pete7]

What is a reasonable sort of budget for a 30 hp. re-engine. .

Best guess would be £7000 and its not a sum I am looking forward to paying in the future, in fact I may not instead buy another used 2003 or 2030 instead, about £2k reconditioned. You will need a new shaft and prop when changing and the prop goes round the wrong way. However, there is some money in a VP 2003 either as px or sell separately, say £1k with the gearbox. Also I am not convinced you need 30hp though it seems a popular size to fit. Your Sigma managed with much less and I recon a M31 will be fine with 25hp. The later S31 has 20hp. I have just motored from Gosport to Portland with F4 on the nose at 2000 revs achieving 5 knots through the water. There is another 1000+ revs that just are not used.

Appreciate it may only be for 5 years but the boat then has a newish engine so just that much easier to sell on.

 

[MoodySabre]

I did consider that and still would if I could find a nice one though with probably only four or five years sailing left in me I was hoping to avoid a project.
What is a reasonable sort of budget for a 30 hp. re-engine.
Our Sigma 38 had a 2003 and when I took it out to the workshop after about 15 years the engineer rebuilt it but told me I could have waited another 15. However its next owner re-engined after a couple of years.

I'd have thought that were some nice ones out there (Moody 31 mk11).
A re-engine and new stern gear is going to be about £8k.
My 1988 VP2003 starts well and runs fine but they are a bit agricultural (and noisy) compared to a Beta. I had the top end of mine overhauled a few years ago and it should keep going for many years (I hope).
Sails well and easy singlehanded.

 

[bitbaltic]

What we up here call complete and utter ballix.

Any resemblance to a Strahlman Finngulf 33 is really very superficial, same number of windows perhaps, surely you can see that ? It looks more like they copied something from the 80s.
Finngulf were still in production long after those Hanses were made, and the design rights are still held by a yard in Finland which aspire to restart production when (if) they can drum up enough orders.
It is a shame you publish those fantasies, a beginner who had no eye for hull shape could believe you.

Hey, calm down! I'll happily admit I am no expert on either boat, just what I understood to be the case as the owner of a different Hanse. Quite hapy to be corrected by someone with experience, and as I in no way insulted the Finngulf (or intended to), I don't think your tone is merited either. Best of luck in your search for a new boat, my only purpose in contributing was to be helpful if possible. I'll go sailing now :encouragement:

ETA: perhaps it's the Finngulf 34 that the Hanse is based on, which is much older and IOR-looking than the 33, which as you say is a far newer boat.

 

[Quandary]

Fair enough, what annoyed me was that you stated stuff as fact with such authority that was so incorrect, we both have a responsibility not to mislead our readers.
I admit that I over reacted but you must admit that what you stated was indeed 'ballix'
Cheers.

 

[Sandgrounder]

During my search for a replacement boat, I have found that for a 30 to 35ft boat needing between 25 to 35 hp, £7k seems to be about standard. The 35hp 4 cylinder Beta engines are lovely but they'll cost £7k

 

[richardbrennan]

As a Westerly Ocean 33 owner, I would endorse the posting that suggested you give one a look. I think it ticks all of the boxes except it has a saildrive.

 

[wully1]

http://www.faurby.dk


Shame they fall out of your geographical limits....

 

[E39mad]

I'd add a good MG 335/346 into the list. Well built by Northshore. Fast but easily handled with a self tacking jib. All were wheel steered iirc. Deep fins had a lead keel or the less popular wing for shallower water are few in number.

 

[Spyro]

I had a look inside a 31.7. Just seemed like too much plastic everywhere. If you are into racing it's probably a great boat but it's not a cosy comfortable cruiser. I suppose that's why they do the Oceanis range.

 

[ithet]

Sun Oddessey 32- Perhaps better than the Oceanis? and more of them have a tiller but the same mainsheet problem, proper depth fin keels like we use up here seem to be rarer on these though.

Then what about Jeaneau Sunfast 32i? Can be rigged with a smaller blade genoa - this is how a friend of mine cruises his. Tiller, deep keel and cockpit traveller.

 

[Quandary]

http://www.faurby.dk


Shame they fall out of your geographical limits....

Lovely, and what is 1,600,000 DKK + vat in Scots poonds

 

[Quandary]

Then what about Jeaneau Sunfast 32i? Can be rigged with a smaller blade genoa - this is how a friend of mine cruises his. Tiller, deep keel and cockpit traveller.

Good call, but not many about just now.

 

[Quandary]

I had a look inside a 31.7. Just seemed like too much plastic everywhere. If you are into racing it's probably a great boat but it's not a cosy comfortable cruiser. I suppose that's why they do the Oceanis range.

I agree with that too, problem is that they want to stick a wheel in the Oceanis (or to be fair, most buyers must want a wheel) and must also prefer not to have bits of rope cluttering up the cockpit.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Lovely, and what is 1,600,000 DKK + vat in Scots poonds

£146k + VAT for the basic model, based on the price list. The figure above is £180k.

 

[wully1]

£146k + VAT for the basic model, based on the price list. The figure above is £180k.

Cheap at the price....
At Boot this year I went on board all the main stream boats ( but not the HR's ) and with the exception of the Faurby thought ' cheap & nasty' Even my dream boat - the Amel 55- was put to shame.
Faurby's do come up on the second hand market here in Denmark now and again.

Looking around here there are some very interesting boats but a bit OT for Quandry's thread, Aphrodite anyone?

BTW - someone has dumped a load of auld wood in yer cockpit...

 

[Deleted member 36384]

.... BTW - someone has dumped a load of auld wood in yer cockpit...

I will be at the boat tomorrow (Monday) at around 15:00 after dropping my son off at the North Pier for the 14:10 ferry. Yes, old wood, more of it has been condemned than I first thought, but that's old boats for you, not too bothered, no point going this far just to cry over scope growth, entirely expected, unfortunately. Also, significant rewire on the cards now as well.

 

[horatio_nelson]

Serious question, have you considered a Scanmar 33?

 

[Quandary]

Serious question, have you considered a Scanmar 33?

Frankly, no; but on your prompting I had a look, interesting boat but it would worry me that the only one I could find for sale had been fitted with a bowthruster? Sort of contradicts the brokers spiel. All the 30 year old teak would be a worry too, I might have enjoyed a project once but in my mid seventies can not afford to give up too much precious sailing time.
I do appreciate suggestions which take my search in less obvious directions, thanks.

 

[lpdsn]

Having trimmed main on a couple of 31.7s I can echo the posts about the importance of the main trim to steering. You really can steer the boat on main alone, but it requires an active approach. I was on one boat that broached to windward under the genny alone after the main was completely dumped. You can of course reef etc, but the onset of weather helm is very sudden as she heels so it is no guarantee in gusty conditions.

They can be fun to race, and although I get the impression Quandry has a lot of racing experience I also get the impression he wants a quiet life at sea these days, so the boat is maybe not ideal.