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[Kristal]

Something between the two?

Whilst not a solution, would it be getting somewhere if the RYA ran a "Considerate Boating" campaign, where you voluntarily signed up to a register (almost a petition in practice) agreeing to a set of obligations as a responsible boater? You could have a sticker that pronounces you are aware of the guidelines and agreed to abide by them in order for more consideration and more enjoyment for all?

Of course, it wouldn't be policed, it would be more of a "shame others" frame of mind. If another boater acts inconsiderably, they could be pointed in the direction of the guidelines, and politely asked if they were interested in signing the register.

At least, then, if you weren't displaying the sticker, flag or whatever, and had no interest in signing up to the considerate boating guidelines, you were cleary some kind of f*@#er.

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[Blueboatman]

Re: Local Party Games shop ...... or Camping / Sporting goods shop.

This works.. As the mobo comes up way too close ,break out the fishing rod and pretend to cast right across their path--Nothing,but Nothing strikes fear into a self absorbed speed merchant/idiot than the prospect of getting anything tangled around their beloved propellors !

Having said that ,it is the 1 in a 1000 who we sadly remember.

You should hear what Pilots have used as acronyms for us raggies ,eg ''WAFI coming across your port side'',translation =Wind Assisted F,,,, Idiot,Lookout !

 

[pessimist]

Not just the Solent. At a guess 20% of MOBO's entering or leaving the Dart yesterday were well above the speed limit. I wonder which bit of 6 knots and Casstle Ledge is too difficult for them?

 

[Ships_Cat]

Re: Local Party Games shop ...... or Camping / Sporting goods shop.

I am not one for regulations and not at all for licensing, but the following Navigation Rule here in NZ I do agree with -

No person may, without reasonable excuse, propel or navigate a vessel
(including a vessel towing a person or an object) at a proper speed exceeding 5
knots:
(a) within 50 metres of any other vessel, raft, or person in the water; or
(b) within 200 metres of the shore or of any structure; or
(c) within 200 metres of any vessel or raft that is flying Flag A of the
International Code of Signals (divers flag).

Applies in all territorial waters with obvious exclusions for races, boats that cannot manoeuvre at that speed, etc. Was made after consultation with all water users and seems to be widely accepted as reasonable.

No one runs around policing it but if anyone lays a complaint against a vessel (which includes PWC's) it is followed up, usually straight away, by the police. Emphasis is on education though, sometimes very public as have seen a 60 foot police launch follow a little power boat into the marina, then squeeze down the aisle after them in order to give them some "lessons" - much more fun to watch than the weekend berthing mishaps.

John

 

[tcm]

Re: Something between the two?

i spose it wd be a start, altho it is rather touchy feely!

Fraid most drivers/buyers of large monster powerboats wouldn't necesarily be turned on by the prospect of getting a nice sticker, really - in the same way that LOADS of people consider themselves excellent car drivers but have never actually looked in detail at the advanced drriveing syllabus. Or, mebbe better analogy is that most people wdn't consider themselves litter louts, but there's loads of litter.

So, some policing needed in the solent, imho. But stickers for the east coast, perhaps, and some tea towels with the considerate boating code of conduct printed onnem at £4.95 ?

 

[rickp]

[ QUOTE ]
IMHO due the preponderance of fast craft in confested waters the inevitable serious accidents waiting to happen will happen before speed limits and compulsory licensing will be introduced. I for one would support such moves in the Solent. Not required elsewhere from what I can see.

[/ QUOTE ]

Speed limits won't help. In fact, the focus on speed limits probably does more harm than good - I often see craft proceeding at the speed limit in Chi harbour, but creating huge wash with the helm completely unaware of the havoc they're trailing. If a blanket speed limit was imposed on the Solent, you can bet there'd be more wash as boats did that speed regardless.

Rick

 

[Vagabond]

Please remember.

It's not the MOBO but the MOBO skipper.

I was swamped in my dinghy by the Itchenor Sailing Club's new motor launch! He had no consideration and merrily went passed creating a bow wave the Beach Boys would have been proud of.

 

[[2068]]

Rather than moaning, you could always shop them to the MAIB if the incident was serious. Although they normally investigate collisions, if the same mobo triggered multiple "near miss" reports, they might take an interest.

dv.

 

[Eightball]

HI ALL well i can tell you that licensing dose nothing at all.we have it all including fines and the prats still try to kill you when your out on water . we have signs to tell you must do 4kts in moorings and passing any moor boat think they take any notice. not on your life. our channel into our marina is just able to take too boats abreast think this would slow them down no way they just tear on through compleat dick heads and we seam to have an abundance of them also in the royal yatch club to as these lot come at you from all angles i have been hit twice once by a 18 footer raceing type at full bore made a bit of a mess of him had him hanging off frount of my 60 footer i think he will well remember what its like to bump into 35tons other one wiped me out boat a write off it was my thunderbird lovely boat any way as i said nothing will stop these dickheads

 

[tcm]

fishing rods - brilliant

the fishing rods are a brilliant idea, actually do something withour resorting to dubious egg-throwing etc. Do you have two to ensure others take a wide berth on both sides??

 

[Stemar]

[ QUOTE ]
No person may, without reasonable excuse, propel or navigate a vessel
(including a vessel towing a person or an object) at a proper speed exceeding 5
knots:
(a) within 50 metres of any other vessel, raft, or person in the water;

[/ QUOTE ]I must say, I'm tempted by this, but it would mean that if someone doing 8 or 9 knots under sail can't pass me with less than 50m clearance, which wouldn't be the object of the excecise, I presume.

How about something along the lines of:

at a speed likely to cause damage or inconvenience to the other vessel either by wash or any other cause, or such a combination of speed and proximity as to cause a reasonable person concern for the safety of their vessel

This covers the jetski who buzzes you to throw water into the cockpit or just drives you made with the noise in an otherwise quiet anchorage, MOBO wash and the raggie pillock who must sail through your anchorage so close you're sure he's going to hit you. The courts are quite good at deciding if a complaint is reasonable.

IMHO, being stopped by the wake momentarily in light winds probably wouldn't count, but if my coffee (or worse, my beer) gets spilt, then guilty as charged, M'lud.

 

[DRW]

Just a thought, but how about applying pressure on the skipper through his insurance. I'm sure insurers would like to charge a little more for dangerous drivers.

A couple of photographs would prove the case and then everyone could police the waters. Just get the boat name in the photo, hopefully get the SRR aswell. Speed cameras everywhere!

Trouble is how to identify his insurers? Must be a way. Some one must know how to do this.

 

[nicho]

Re: Jimi the Cop

I would REALLY love to see that!! I support the motion wholeheartedly!

 

[jimi]

I must admit I dived for the camera but by the time I had it and the lens cap off he was about 400 yards away and a photo would have proved nothing.

 

[DRW]

Understandable.

But if there was a system like this in place - would you have been quicker to get the camera? Perhaps it would it be a prepared response?

I would love to see these 'skippers' rewarded for their behaviour.

 

[Kristal]

Re: Something between the two?

Yes, we bleeding-heart liberals on the East Coast would manage find with stickers. In addition to the tea-towels, I think a small stuffed bear modelling a "I luv considerate boaters" T-shirt might also encourage some more sailing softies to join the campaign.

 

[Kilter]

Know the feeling!
On the same day had 2: 1st one I'm at the masthead when a plank in a 'Binliner' (my name for a Bayliner with a rubbish driver) comes zooming fast full chat 4 metres from us...he looked around puzzled by my 'friendly greeting' from the wildly cavorting masthead.
2nd one; largish fishing vessel with protruding boom type thinghy (technical term that), again pulling big wave, misses us by inches with the sticky out bits ('nother techy term!)! He didn't respond at all to my greeting and helpful advice...so...deaf as well as stupid! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[Twister_Ken]

Jamesie,

I believe you're getting somewhere with your dodgy powerboat drivers campaign...

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20050708165519ymnews.html

 

[Mike21]

[ QUOTE ]
Returning to the Solent yesterday the entry proved a sign of things to come, entering the Needles Channel with the Bridge cardinal less than 10 metres immediately to starboard a Targa 35 shot between me and it at an estimated speed of 30 knots, clearance between me and him was less than 2 metres and less than that between him and the buoy (there was over 100m of clear water to right of it and only a couple of vessels in the Needles Channel .. why?

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe he used to race and you left him a gap, he thought he could use to his advantage.

Didn't think heavy displacement cruisers could roar past

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: Something between the two?

[ QUOTE ]
if the RYA ran a "Considerate Boating" campaign, where you voluntarily signed up to a register (almost a petition in practice) agreeing to a set of obligations as a responsible boater?

[/ QUOTE ] Sorry. That's the same as having a "Ban Litter From Our Streets" campaign.
Only those who don't drop litter would take any notice. The other oiks who drop their curry trays or crisp packets when they are empty (IE. In our garden) will still do it.
Same with boating, only statute, reporting and big fines will make them wake up. Even the "we'll carry on powerboating" vociferous minority are skulking around Windermere at dusk now having little blasts, or planing round it tight circles to try and confuse the speed gun. You see £400 a time is the deterent that works.
That is the way to educate or preferably scare off the "James Bond" boaters.