MIB - Black RIB's patroling the thames area

[KevB]

Re: MIB - Black RIB\'s patroling the thames area

I doubt if they actually think they will stop a terrorist in the act but rather see themselves as a deterrent. All good stuff in my book.

 

[JonBrooks]

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Wonder if these guys are related to the trigger happy twits who regularly rampage around the countryside pointing H&K sub-machine guns ( why do they need those ? ) at poor camoflaged sods with shotguns surrounded by dozens of plastic wood pigeon decoys ?

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Surely if our armed police officers were really "trigger happy" then there would be a lot more shootings in the UK.
As it goes the amount of people shot by the police is very low.

I think they are very restrained and well trained compared to many other forces in the world.

All IMHO

Regards

 

[abraxus]

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Surely if our armed police officers were really "trigger happy" then there would be a lot more shootings in the UK.

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I quite agree, Brazilian electricians look awfully like terrorists, and what else can you do if a man comes out of pub with a table leg /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[KevB]

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I quite agree, Brazilian electricians look awfully like terrorists, and what else can you do if a man comes out of pub with a table leg

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Ok, so that's two mistakes out of the THOUSANDS of armed resposes the police provide every year. Wish my average of getting things right was as good as that.

On the law of averages the electrician was more likely to die as part of his profession than he was being killed by the police! He was another victim of the cowardly terrorists.

 

[JonBrooks]

Re: MIB - Black RIB\'s patrolling the Thames area

Context is a wonderful thing Kev.
Saved me typing it anyways! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Regards

 

[abraxus]

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On the law of averages the electrician was more likely to die as part of his profession

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But he didn't. Lot of good those stats do him now.

In any case I was only having a bit of fun Kev, I know in comparison to some countries our police are far from trigger happy, and I tend to believe it was the intelligence and instructions that were more at fault than the men on the ground. Although I'll take my chances changing a plug over armed police any day.

Don't have much time for the terrorists either, and while I'm happy to put some of the blame on them, I would struggle to call what they did cowardly. Disgusting, misguided, immoral...yes, but not cowardly.

 

[KevB]

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I say cowardly because they are targeting innocent unarmed "foe" and also because they are doing it for the good of themselves. Do you think these scum would blow themselves up for their religion if it wasn't for the fact they had been brain washed in to believing they go to paradise and recieve 72 black eyed virgins?

 

[abraxus]

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I'm not sure that they all believe that deep down. As misguided as they may be, some probably feel they are fighting a cause in the only way open to them. Unless we understand and address that, it's unlilkely that we'll ever be able to prevent it.

Our government has used terrorism in the past and has also bombed and killed innocent civilians on many occasions. Soldiers have also given their lives knowingly for "the greater good", and I wouldn't call them cowards either.

The rights and wrongs are largely dependent upon which side you're on as it's hard for either to claim any moral high ground.

 

[bobgosling]

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Surely if our armed police officers were really "trigger happy" then there would be a lot more shootings in the UK.
As it goes the amount of people shot by the police is very low.


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Actually, statistics show that the majority of firearms injuries in the UK are caused by Police Officers. It would therefore be safer to disarm the Police and give guns to everyone else /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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72 black eyed virgins

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I'm rather hoping that the Koran contains a mis-print and it is one 72 year old black eyed virgin..

 

[KevB]

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I'm not sure that they all believe that deep down

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Why not just plant a bomb and leg it? Cause they need to be martyrs to get the virgins!!

Beleive me, I don't blame the individuals becuase I don't believe they are of sane mind and body when the carry out the atrocities. You can't be all there if you strap a bomb to yourself and pull the pin.
Disillusioned individulas brain washed in to believing that what they are doing is right and they will get their "payment" in paradise...

I feel sorry for all normal members of their religion who are left behind to take the flack.

 

[abraxus]

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Can't argue you with you there Kev, definitely not all there and no doubt brainwashed.

I'd often thought that there can't be that many people (of any culture) that were so stupid to be so easily led, without ending up in a secure ward somewhere. But the other day I had occasion to wander through the Hounslow shopping area...care in the community gone to far if you ask me.

 

[Peppermint]

Re: I rang up the Met

and asked them about this stuff.

It's the Marine Support Unit. I'll let you know if I find out anymore info.

 

[Stemar]

Re: MIB - Black RIB\'s patrolling the Thames area

We're human, and therefore fallible. We get things wrong, so do the police. Armed police go through a seriously tough selection procedure that is far more aimed at weeding out anyone with the slightest gung ho tendancies than finding people who are willing to pull the trigger. FWIW, it's a rare day in London that there are no armed incidents, mostly arresting people who are known or believed to be dangerous, but it's very rare for shots to be fired, and AFAIK, every time they are, it's investigated by the IPCA.

IMHO, one of the biggest differences between our police and those in many (most?) other countries is that ours risk a manslaughter or even a murder charge if they get it badly wrong. They've got far too many people and organisations gunning for them for a coverup to have much chance of success

The recent tragedy is still under investigation, but I expect the truth will out eventually and the guilty parties (or possibly, covenient scapegoats) will suffer an appropriate penalty. I can't help feeling that his family are playing it for all it's worth, though.

In the other case mentioned, IIRC, the table leg was wrapped, so v. difficult to know what it really was. The unfortunate victim had learning difficulties, as I recall, so may not have understood the challenge,, but the coppers didn't know that. They'd been called to a man with a gun. If when that man is challenged, he points something that looks like a gun at them, well I don't know if I'd have done any different.

 

[Jezlyn]

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Just don't name your next boat "Jihad"

 

[Bergman]

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Whats the difference between a rogue and a vagabond. Can one be a rogue without being a vagabond - and/or vice versa?

What is the 1361 act - surely they can't use something that old

 

[ZuidWester]

Is your reply your 1000th post?

The Guardian today:

George Monbiot:

"The police are also rediscovering the benefits of some of our more venerable instruments. On September 10, Keith Richardson, one of the six students convicted of aggravated trespass on Friday, had his stall in Lancaster city centre confiscated under the 1824 Vagrancy Act. "Every Person wandering abroad and endeavouring by the Exposure of Wounds and Deformities to obtain or gather Alms ... shall be deemed a Rogue and Vagabond... " The act was intended to prevent the veterans of the Napoleonic wars from begging, but the police decided that pictures of the wounds on this man's anti-vivisection leaflets put him on the wrong side of the law...
... In two recent cases, protesters have been arrested under the 1361 Justices of the Peace Act."


And here it is. Please read this carefully as it is this in force:

Justices of the Peace Act 1361

1. FIRST, that in every county of England shall be assigned for the keeping of the peace, one lord, and with him three or four of the most worthy in the county, with some learned in the law, and they shall have power to restrain the offenders, rioters, and all other barrators, and to pursue, arrest, take, and chastise them according their trespass or offence; and to cause them to be imprisoned and duly punished according to the law and customs of the realm, and according to that which to them shall seem best to do by their discretions and good advisement; and also to inform them, and to inquire of all those that have been pillors and robbers in the parts beyond the sea, and be now come again, and go wandering, and will not labor as they were wont in times past: and to take and arrest all those that they may find by indictment, or by suspicion, and to put them in prison; and to take of all them that be not of good fame, where they shall be found, sufficient surety and mainprise of their good behavior towards the king and his people, and the other duly to punish; to the intent that the people be not by such rioters or rebels troubled nor endamaged, nor the peace blemished, nor merchants nor other passing by the highways of the realm disturbed, nor put in fear by peril which might happen of such offenders; and also to hear and determine at the king’s suit all manner of felonies and trespasses done in the same county according to the laws and customs aforesaid; and that writs of oyer and determiner be granted according to the statutes thereof made, and that the justices which shall be thereto assigned be named by the court, and not by the party. And the king will, that all general inquiries before this time granted within any seignories, for the mischiefs and oppressions which have been done to the people by such inquiries, shall cease utterly and be repealed and that fines, which are to be made before justices for a trespass done by any person, be reasonable and just, having regard to the quantity of the trespass, and the causes for which they may be made.

 

[Captain Haddock]

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<sigh> is it me, but the more I read the Justice of the peace act the more the words seem to blur together and go backwards when I get halfway through it?!!!... in the end I couldn't be arsed to try and understand it... I live in the year 2005 how on earth can the government still quote these laws!

It's madness that we are using 13th century laws to enforce a governments will.

I know a few people who could be witches, lets try them for herecy and for coluding with the devil.

How's about we all practice this one if witch hunting is a bit extreme.

Edward IV passed a law that every Engishman from the age of 16 to 60 should own a longbow (of his own height) and to practice every Sunday after church and on feast days. In 1542 an Act established that the minimum target distance for anyone over the age of 24 years was 220 yards.

Can you just picture the chaos it would cause... pub brawls at a distance of 200yards. It would be even worse at Sea Yachties vs. Mobos vs. Speed Boats vs. Jet Ski brawls over wash... heaven knows what would happen if the Colregs were broken!

Not much a few blokes in RIBs could do then.

Where does it end?!

 

[bobfrost]

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Actually, statistics show that the majority of firearms injuries in the UK are caused by Police Officers. It would therefore be safer to disarm the Police and give guns to everyone else /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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This explains the Norfolk Firearms Officer who shot himself in the foot and was left with only five toes on it.
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[kengill]

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The recent tragedy is still under investigation, but I expect the truth will out eventually and the guilty parties (or possibly, covenient scapegoats) will suffer an appropriate penalty.

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I quite sure that in accordance with estabilshed precedent the authorities will determine that the "worthies" are guilty of manslaughter. So they'll charge them with murder and they will naturally be found not guilty and be set free to shoot innocents again. It's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last.

I just wish that our authorities had sufficient integrity to charge policemen for the accidental crimes they commit - but that'll never happen. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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[BlueChip]

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Actually, statistics show that the majority of firearms injuries in the UK are caused by Police Officers. It would therefore be safer to disarm the Police and give guns to everyone else /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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This explains the Norfolk Firearms Officer who shot himself in the foot and was left with only five toes on it.
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How many did he have before then?